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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Homicidal sleepwalking was merged into Sleepwalking with this edit on 12:11, 3 January 2022. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Reversion

To the editor: I tried doing just that--and my contrubution was expunged. I added eight names of people who killed in their sleep, along with the way the law dealt with them, citing as my source The Book of Lists 3. As I observe it, your invitation to readers to contribute to this "stub" makes no sense considering what I added that was removed. Dougie monty 20:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I originally created this article. For now, I have brought back your writing. It could use some more clarity. If you can detail these cases in a style similar to the two that are listed, it would be more likely to stay. Tatterfly 17:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added details in three of the eight cases that were in The Book of Lists 3. I hope this is what you meant; if these prove to be satisfactory, in terms of clarity and detail, I will add details for the other five. Dougie monty 06:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And now I have added detail for the other five cases I mentioned above, and included the name of the contributor to the Book of Lists 3 as acknowledged in the volume itself. Dougie monty 06:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I very much appreciate you writing about these cases you know about in an effort to expand this article. If you can separate each case under a different heading, just like at first it says "Lowe case" and "Falater case," that would be wonderful. Tatterfly 14:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there you are. I added headings, though I think they should be subordinated to the main heading introducing them as from The Book of Lists 3. But I don't yet know that much about entering subheadings here. Dougie monty 07:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You did a great job. I made some minor changes to help realign things. Tatterfly 17:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Maxime.May 2011) : Hi, according to "August is a good time for killing" on Google Books, "The real shape of the Coast" is not about French detective Robert LEdru, but about a murder in a mental institution. You can read the story online. I did not find the story about Ledru. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.118.166.238 (talk) 19:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reitz case

Steven Reitz killed his girlfriend and used a sleepwalking defense according to Dateline. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.165.121 (talk) 17:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article has been messed up

The reference to a BBC article should be removed, the figure of 68 cases actually comes from an article by Rosalind Cartwright. The comment about Parks not awaking from sleep is confusing and inaccurate. Sleepwalking is a particular state where the person cannot be categorised as clearly awake nor clearly asleep. However, it is likely that given the duration of the episode at least part of it was a dissociative episode. Unfortunately the page now reads as a very superficial account of homicidal sleepwalking, I'm not sure if that is a satisfactory outcome or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doc insanity (talk • contribs) 15:43, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

number/year

wp: "About 68 cases had been reported in literature up to the year 2000."
The source/ref, bbc, writes:
"Dr Irshaad Ebrahim, director of the London Sleep Centre, said: "There have been about 68 cases worldwide of murder in sleepwalking [...]"
And as for date the BBC report includes the words "incident in October 2003" and states "Last Updated: Friday, 18 March 2005, 18:35 GMT".

Thus the source or the date seems wrong. Of course both could be true, when in 2000-2003 no homicidal sleepwalkings occured, but then it is better to go with the year 2003 than 2000. -80.133.114.1 (talk) 02:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another case

does anyone care to add the following article/case to the list? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8364393.stm 94.159.190.144 (talk) 00:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I added a short excerpt of this case, but I believe it requires editing/reviewing. Ibenami (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1630 Unnamed Subject

Unnamed subject - Polish physician Jan Jonston reported a case from around 1630. A sleeping inhabitant of Paris rose from his bed, took his sword, swam across the river Seine, killed a man he had planned to murder the day before, swam back to his home, and eventually got back to his bed, without awakening in the process. (Citation given; Jan Jonston, Thaumatographia Naturalis, Amsterdam, 1630 cited in J.A.S. Collin de Plancy, Dictionnaire Infernal, Paris, Mongie, 1818)

I intend the removal of this passage entirely. If you start including every tom dick and harry who, throughout history, has claimed to have 'been sleepwalking' when they murdered someone this article will be filled with nonsense. The murderer admitted he intended to murder the victim earlier in the day, and had planned the murder. The execution of the murder had occurred and then after the fact he claimed that he was 'sleepwalking.' This is not a compelling case, nor is the 1630's Poland a compelling place or time for scientific or medical efficacy in diagnosing such a case. I appreciate the historicity of the item but it is absolutely not a convincing event, we do not even have the bloody name of the subject (the murderer) nor the victim. Nothing. <!//– ☠ ʇdɯ0ɹd ɥsɐq ☠ // user // talk // twitter //–> 10:27, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Parks Case - Weapon Used

I am a bit confused regarding why the source indicates a tire iron when court documents state that a kitchen knife was used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:9940:35D:3D10:3733:2740:F9B8 (talk) 06:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SCOTT FALATER

Even though he was found guilty, he should be added for the homicide of his wife Yarmila Falater by stabbing her 44 times then holding her under water. He had a history of sleepwalking as a child and had even harmed his sister when he was 20 years old with a violent outburst. This murder occurred in Arizona in the United States. 2600:1700:3AE0:A520:7196:D726:CF7F:82EF (talk) 01:04, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]