Talk:Homer Badman

GA Review (on hold for now)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

Again, I find some problems with the way it is written, but I think these are probably quick fixes. Here are my notes:

1 (a). Prose

• • The last sentence in the "cultural references" section is not a sentence, and the whole section is very disjointed for my tastes. Perhaps changing it to an itemized list might be better?

1 (b). Structure

• • "continually protest Homer"? Are they protesting him, or what he did? This sounds funny to me.
  • Should Rock Bottom appear in italics or quotes? It appears in quotes at the end of the plot summary, but without in the beginning. Same deal with "Hard Copy".
  • "the" media circus should be "a" media circus
  • media circus provides, not media circus provide
  • 24 hour coverage of what?
  • Mirken "felt" strongly (past tense) and "says" (present tense) needs to be resolved
  • The Talk Show "Ben" should not be all capitalized
  • "was apparently barrel chested" (missing period at the end of the sentence)
  • In Entertainment Weekly's top 25 The Simpsons episodes ever in 2003, Homer Badman was placed eighteenth - I know what you're trying to say, but just read the sentence; it looks very strange with that floating "ever" in there.

6 (a) and (b) Images

• • Again, I don't know if there should be a tag or a caption on the infobox picture, but I would like to see one.
  • While this doesn't make or break a GA, perhaps screenshots from the episode actually depicting the moment when Homer pulls the gummy de Milo off of Ashley and then a screenshot of what she sees might be really helpful for explaining what goes on. Think about uploading those if you have access to them.

If you make the changes in 1(a) and 1(b), I will promote the article to GA status immediately. I would love to see the changes made in 6(a) and 6(b), but they are not necessary. Good work so far, I really like what you've done here. Good luck! –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 20:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Generally, I feel that the image should be an absolute summary of the episode. I had thought of using one of Homer and the Gummy Venus, but I thought an image of Homer in front of an angry accusing mob (with the signs) would summarize it better. As for the other suggestions, I'll implement them as soon as possible. -- Scorpion 20:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I agree. The current infobox picture is the best one, but you could insert the other pictures I mentioned into the "Plot summary" section. –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

In regards to "24 hour coverage of what?", I wasn't sure what to put there as the words Simpson home had already been used in the sentence. I changed it to " provide 24 hour coverage of things such as Marge letting the cat out and the family watching TV" because I think it is important to note that they were harassing Homer and providing coverage of insignificant things. I have implemented your suggestions

Everything except the "cultural references" section. I like what you've done otherwise, however. Nicely done. I shall this article promote. =) –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 21:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

I started a trivia section and it was summarily removed without any explanation. Many of the entries for other Simpsons episodes have a Trivia section - did I do something wrong? Instead of adding it again, I figured I'd ask here - why was it removed? 71.56.86.252 19:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. This is a good article, which means "Trivia" has no place. Eventually all trivia will be removed from episode articles. But you weren't to know so this isn't really your fault. Gran² 19:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't aware of that. I'm still new to adding stuff to wikipedia. If that's the way the wind is blowing regarding episode articles, then I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the speedy reply. 71.56.86.252 02:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is a link at the bottom that says it contains a full list. I figured that that was enough. -- Scorpion 03:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeesh. Had I saw that I wouldn't have added what I did in the first place. Yes, that's enough:) 71.56.86.252 23:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps (Pass)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, MASEM 17:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

"Plot" section- Homer's last line

I added Homer's final line to the plot section (despite their being no other direct quotes from the episode). One of the undercurrents of the episode is Homer's relationship with TV; he views it as a family member and trusts it. His last line neatly ties all that together and even the quote by itself gives a good sense of the whole. Since it acts as a good summary of how he felt conflicted the whole time, I think it deserves the bit of extra recognition while other lines might not. MeDrewNotYou (talk) 22:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

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Oleanna

The movie version of Mamet's "Oleanna" was released a few weeks before broadcast of this. The parallels are interesting. The episode would have been highly topical at the time due to the then-controversy over Mamet's story. DancesWithGrues (talk) 23:23, 25 March 2021 (UTC)