Talk:Holy Wars... The Punishment Due

Requested move

I moved this page to "Holy Wars... the Punishment Due" originally due to WP:CAPS capitalization rules. However, after reading the article more closely, it appears that "The Punishment Due" is acutally the subtitle of this song, as can be seen from this quote from the article:

The song has an unusual structure, shifting at 2:26 after an acoustic bridge by Marty Friedman to a different, slower and heavier section called "The Punishment Due", and returns towards the end back to "Holy Wars", after a solo played by Dave Mustaine. The entire song is generally referred to as simply "Holy Wars".

This differs from other Megadeth titles like Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good! and Peace Sells... but Who's Buying?; since the words after the ellipses begin with coordinating conjunctions, these words are clearly part of the main title. "The Punishment Due" is an exception, as it is separate from the main title.

However, I'm not entirely sure this is justification for a capitalization of the "the", so I decided to get some user input. -Xnux the Echidna 15:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Support. You're absolutely right. The first word of any title or subtitle (including articles) is always capitalized, per WP:CAPS. Let's move it! Wilhelm meis (talk) 03:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

About NI?! Make no sense

OK if Mustaine says the song is about Northern Ireland, then why does the song talks about Israel, "Desert land", and a "holy war"? Shouldn't it talk about "Ulster" and "The Troubles" instead? Honestly, even if he actually said this is about Northern Ireland (which I don't doubt he did) it sounds to me like he is just toning down the polemic since the conflict in Northern Ireland nowadays seems to be less of a sensitive subject (at least worldwide) than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. --Pinnecco (talk) 01:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Yep. It really doesn't make sense - "Holy Wars" is talking about the religion wars around the land of Israel, and not about Northern Ireland ("Don't look now to Israel, it might be your homeland"). There were no religion wars in Northern Ireland. Someone, please fix this immediately. RHLPCP (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

http://megadeth.rockmetal.art.pl/interviews_holywars1990.html

Questioner; Cool. Tell me a little bit about the single, "Holy Wars." What was, you know, goin' through your head when you wrote that song?

"Well, I'd been misinformed by someone from, ah, Ireland who... when I was over there, asked him, "What is goin' on here," because somebody said there was someone with a box of T-shirts bootlegging Megadeth shirts. I would want to get them confiscated because that's basically the way the band stays alive out there is by selling merchandise and records. They said, "Well, you can't do that. Those guys are sellin' T-shirts for the cause." And I went, "What the hell's the cause?" And they go, "Well, it's the IRA." What's this all about? And the guy goes, "Well, Catholics are against the Protestants are against the Catholics, ya know." And to me, any religion that thinks it's better than another religion is, is, is... like, full of it, ya know? I can't really say how I really feel without getting vulgar and I would rather, you know, instead of having what I feel oppressed, I would rather watch what I say and just say that I think that a prejudice religion is a sin in itself, and they're trying to disguise their sins by saying one religion is better than the other and that's blaspheme, and they oughta talk to their god because I'm sure he would tell them what's happening." Dave Mustaine

That really answers that. Please read references instead of deleting them. Murry1975 (talk) 23:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)