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A fact from Holliday Bickerstaffe Kendall appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 March 2008, and was viewed approximately 183 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that according to historian Rev. H B Kendall, five Camp Meetings which led to the establishment of Primitive Methodism as a denomination in 1811 were held in Ramsor in Staffordshire?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2008/March.

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This entry was created because of the significance of H B Kendall for students of Methodist history.

Some points in the biography obviously need research. Please contribute a small family tree if you know the information.

Robert of Ramsor (talk) 00:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a novice when it comes to Wiki and HTML (I think that's the code used) and at the minute I do not really have the time to spend endless hours reading up the nuances and etiquette for editing sites so please forgive any faux-pas I make. My free time (what little there is of it) is taken up researching my family tree and writing a book on my Kendall ancestors. For which Holliday Bickerstaffe Kendall and James Dennis Hird are a part of my family history. it is with great delight I see HBK has finally got a Wiki page of his own and I have contributed to it and the Ruskin site in the past for his cousin JDH. JDH he was a the fore front of the drive to educate working class men and the Labour movement, yet very little of his role is published. I do have lots to share on these two and I am willing to contribute further9but need to read up on how to upload images etc) I have included a link to my online tree on HBK'S site. I have no idea how to start a new page as I feel JDH needs one. My main effort at the minute is to get my book completed and published this year.

I hope I have done this right, I have no idea where this will be published and seen by whom as I am still on a very steep learning curve!!!

MBorrill (talk) 15:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-ups etc

I have just been looking at this article again after about a year. Several issues. When I originally wrote this article I included a substantial number of references to support all the main points I had made. I had only the information relating to HBK's contributions to Primitive Methodist history, and M Borrill kindly supplied some useful family information since HBK is an ancestor of that branch of the Borrill family. At which point, the article was reasonably well structured and informed. Not a "finished" product, since in Wikipedia there is always room to improve. Unfortunately, a lot of the major revisions since then seem to have led to the need for "Clean-up" and additional references. (And I am not impressed with the literacy skills of editors who produce "Kendall Wrote" for "Kendall wrote" or "difinitive" for "definitive". We all do typos, but usually when writing substantial sections.)

I will restore the heading "Kendall the historian". Seen from the 21st century, the major enduring legacy of HBK is his work as a historian. So to delete this as a separate heading is to delete the major reason for this article. And the logical presentation of information is served by including headings - they are like chapter breaks in a long novel. This article flows better for having this heading.

Would we be better off if we reverted the main article to M Borrill's final revision of 2008? There are a few useful edits, but the overall article structure is now so messy that it will take more work to sort this out than starting with where we were 2 years ago.

Amongst the references, Leary is a major reference work for Primitive Methodist history. It draws together various sources of information, and summarises the lives of just about every Primitive Methodist Minister (a few early ones may be missing if the records are not available). My other references are largely from Kendall's own works, in which he writes objectively about himself, and is a trustworthy source. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 02:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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