Talk:Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles

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Did you know... that Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles rewrote Harry Potter to replace magic with prayer and supernatural phenomena?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles rewrote Harry Potter to replace magic with Evangelicalism? Source: [1][2][3][4][5][6]~~
- ALT0b:... that Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles rewrote Harry Potter to replace magic with prayer and Evangelical morality?
- ALT0c:... that Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles rewrote Harry Potter to replace magic with prayer and supernatural phenomena?
- ALT1:... that Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles was criticized for its plot, which included a "Christian friendly" retelling of Harry Potter and "thinly-veiled comparisons between Voldemort and Obama"? Source: [7][8]

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ethiopia in the Middle Ages
Comment: This is a silly one

Created by BuySomeApples (talk). Self-nominated at 09:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced (it has a citation to Inquisitor, a generally unreliable source but I'll let that slide as it seems to just be for opinion.), neutral and plagiarism-free. However, I have a few issues with the hooks though they are both interesting. Firstly, the article title should be in italics, no? Regarding ALT0, I do not see replacing Magic with... however you spell it (I've never heard it before.) mentioned in the article, and the fan fiction did not rewrite the series, no? With ALT1, "Christian friendly" and its negative reception for its plot does not seem to be mentioned in the article. But overall, the hooks are quite silly. QPQ has been done. Pamzeis (talk) Ping me in replies! 12:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Pamzeis: thanks for reviewing this one so quickly! Evangelicalism is a type of Christianity, it's kinda the really conservative American type. The Wikipedia page it links to is really long, but I don't know how to boil it down. All of the sources link the fanfiction to Christianity, but a lot of the sources like Snopes, The Daily Dot and Religion News Service say Evangelicalism in particular (I think that's important because not all Christians believe the same things).

Re: ALT0 I altered the hook a bit to say "prayer and Evangelical morality". The sources say "Evangelical stay-at-home mom named Grace Ann has taken it upon herself to remove all the witchcraft devil-worship from Harry Potter and replace it with a more Christian-friendly message",[9] "All the magic in the story is replaced with “prayer,” where the characters kneel and ask God for things, which will suddenly appear, as if by, you know, magic",[10] and "her mission to re-write the Harry Potter books to be a Christian morality tale."[11] I removed Inquisitr from the article and hook citations.

The fan fiction is described as "rewriting" the original series in many of the sources because it retells the book's story in a different way. It doesn't change the actual Harry Potter story, but it is still a revision of it.

Re: ALT0 The negative reception was mentioned in the "Reception and analysis" section, it mentioned that it garnered an almost universally negative reaction from critics and has more specific criticisms from sources like was critical of the writing, grammar and plot, and referencing the author's stated purpose of making a family friendly, Christian take on Harry Potter.

I edited the introduction and "Reception" section now to be more specific now and include all the info you mentioned. The introduction now reads "The fan fiction rewrites the Harry Potter series to replace magic with prayer, and emphasize moral lessons rooted in Evangelicalism." and the "Reception" section opens with "The fanfiction went viral in 2014, and garnered an almost universally negative reaction from critics for its plot, writing and message." and includes "Madeleine Davies of Jezebel criticized the author's "Christian-friendly" plot". Let me know if there's anything else! BuySomeApples (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0b and ALT1 are fine by me! Pamzeis (talk) 01:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! BuySomeApples (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BuySomeApples: I'm not seeing a citation for ALT0b, because it's only written in the lead—would there be a place in the body where it can be inserted and cited, or do you want to just cite in the lead? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: I know I'm being a stickler about this, because it's just the synopsis of the article, but I want to promote ALT0b but I'm not seeing a citation in the article. BuySomeApples appears to be AWOL, any way this could be fixed? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a cite but the article doesn't mention "Christian morality" so I've struck it and added an alt. Now, we just need someone to review it. Pamzeis (talk) 06:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

cited inline and interesting, we're good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 22:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]