Talk:Hockley-in-the-Hole

This information needs its own article and a major rewrite

it has got nothing to do with this article except its name

"Hockley-in-the-Hole" was also the name of a large Maryland plantation granted to Major (later Colonel) Edward Dorsey, son of Edward Dorsey who arrived from England around 1661. The following excerpt is from "Maryland Genealogical and Memorial Encyclopedia", page 14 of 21:

Edward Dorsey of Kiltulla House received his first grant of land in the province in the year 1658. Six years later his three sons, Colonel Edward, Joshua and the Honorable John Dorsey, were granted a large tract of land in Anne Arundel County by the peculiar name of Hochley in Ye Hole - hole being the old English name for valley.

The name of this estate, being identical with a parish in the county of Essex, England, in which the descendants of John Darcy were seated, was for a long time the strongest evidence of their origin in the mother country, and while in perpetuating the more modern seat for their ancestors, they gave their Maryland estate an Essex name, they were of the Irvington Castle branch, which bore a broken spear for their crest.

The original grant for Hockley, dated 1664, signed and sealed by Charles, third Lord Baltimore, is still in the possession of a descendant of two of these brothers, the grant having been handed down with the land to the eighth generation.

Reproduced in the Sydney-Smith and Clagett-Price genealogy, page 273.

More about Hockley-in-the-Hole Edward Dorsey is mentioned in the "History of the Nation published in 1913 and is mentioned living at Hockley-in-the-Hole <excerpt>

Descendant of Edward and Hon. John Dorsey, through the Revolutionary ancestor, John Dorsey, all of Maryland, as follows:

2. Baker Johnson Dorsey (July 30, lS32-July 12, 1S77) and Caroline Anna Jackson (June 12, lS23-Feb. 27, 1895). 3. John Robert Dorsey (Oct. 3, 1801-Feb. 18, 1858) and Mary Catherine Johnson (18ll-May 8, 1896). 4. Judge Walter Dorsey (Mch. 20, 1771-1823) and Hopewell Hebb (ab. 1765-Apr. 3, 1853). 5. John Dorsey (172G-Jan. 1, 1810) and Mary Hammond (1738-June 22, 1783). 6. Edward Dorsey, Jr. (ab. 1695-bef. Nov., 17G7) and Sarah Todd (i705-aft. 1767). 7. Edward Dorsey (ab. 1675-bef. Nov. 25, 1701) and Ruth Howard (1674-aft. 1708/9). 8. Hon. John Dorsey (Eng., 1641-bef. Mch. 22, 1715) and Pleasance Ely (bet. 1640-1650-aft. 1722). (m. (2) Thomas Wainwright). 9. Edward Dorsey (Eng., -165l) and Ann (b. Eng ).

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Edward Darcy, now Dorscy (Eng.-KiSl), received his first warrant for land in Maryland from the Lord Proprietor in 1650, and settled in Anne Arundel County. In I66l he was granted a valuable estate in tliat part of St. Mary's County which later became Calvert County. "Hockley in the Hole," originally taken up by Edward Dorsey, was in l664 patented to his sons. The original patent, bearing date Aug. 20, 1661, is still in the possession of one of the lineal descendants of all three of the original patentees.

Hon. John Dorsey (1641-1715) came to this coun- try with his father, Edward, and settled with him in Anne Arundel County. He served for years as Burgess, and was on many important committees. In 1694 he was one of the Commissioners for the development of Annapolis ; was a member of the Governor's Council in 1711, which appointment he held until his death, in 1714.

"Col. John Dorsey" (1726-1810), an officer in Colonial Wars, subscribed a large sum during the Revolution to purchase salt for the public use to be sold to them at cost price. In 1781 he agreed to take Continental money at face value, thereby aiding the Government in its hour of need. He was the owner of many ships that aided in con- veying Lafayette and his army to Virginia for the York- town campaign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.4.152 (talk) 16:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.4.152 (talk) 16:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Article citation discussion

User:Cavalryman Rather than reverting the article discuss on the article talk page. This citation supports the information in the article. [5] Blockhouse321 (talk) 14:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello again Blockhouse, I have no issues with the lone source currently on the article, the others you added were clearly not reliable. I have restored the notability tag, an article requires significant coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. Cavalryman (talk) 14:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC).

I understand your POV, but I do take issue with this reference [6], why do you feel it is does not qualify? In fact, I find the article to be well written, informative and supports the Hockley article. Blockhouse321 (talk) 14:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Because it appears to be a WP:SPS. Cavalryman (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC).

It does not appear to be WP:SPS to me. In fact, it appears to the opposite of WP:SPS. To avoid a revert war, I will allow other editors reading this to decide and put the reference [7] back in the article. Blockhouse321 (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

If it is not self published, then please demonstrate who published it. It does not even include authorship details, as far as I can tell it is the work of a backyard dog breeder posted onto a free web hosting service. If you disagree with my assessment, you are welcome to post the link at WP:RSN and see what the community believes. Cavalryman (talk) 01:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Blockhouse321, ironically your website also supports the idea that “Bull and Terrier” was just an early name for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier [8], and so would indicate the proposed merger is appropriate. Cavalryman (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC).