Talk:Hobo News

A fact from Hobo News appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 March 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in the early 20th century there were two American newspapers called Hobo News, one published by the IBWA, a mutual aid society for migratory workers?

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Source backups: [1] [2] [3] [4]

Sources

"The Hobo News ~ A Street Newspaper". Hobo Nickel Society. 11 July 2008. Retrieved 16 March 2009. — some information on the second Hobo News. Not sure if it's RS or not.
Green, Norma Fay (23 July 1999). "Trying to write a history of the role of street newspapers in the social movement to alleviate poverty and homelessness". 4th conference of North American Street Newspaper Association. Street Paper Focus Group. Retrieved 13 March 2009. — several paragraphs

rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I have more sources too and more content coming. I thought I'd put this up so we don't end up doing the same work twice. Feel free to edit of course. --Apoc2400 (talk) 13:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Anderson source is confusing me...it's got a lot of information and we definitely should keep it, but I'd just like to figure out more about what it actually is. While the book itself is published in 1998, the How chapter it written as if by a contemporary, and still talks about Hobo News in the present tense; the bottom of p. 90 says that that chapter is something reprinted from the "Burgess Papers" (whatever that is) in U. of Chicago, and doesn't give a date or an author. From what I've seen of the rest of the book, it looks like all the chapters are like this, reprints of contemporary documents (although most of the rest of the chapters are journal articles and stuff, whereas this is an "unpublished document"). Is there any way we can find out more about when this How thing was written, and by whom? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering about that too. Tell me if you figure it out. --Apoc2400 (talk) 16:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Burgess Papers" appears to refer to urban sociologist Ernest Burgess—see here. That might not necessarily mean this particular document was written by him, though...but I guess it probably was. It wasn't ever published or anything, it seems to just be some of Burgess's research notes, correspondance, diary, or something like that. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was written by Nels Anderson. The book description begins with "Nels Anderson was a pioneer in the study of the homeless. In the early 1920s Anderson combined his own experience..." --Apoc2400 (talk) 17:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah there is an article Nels Anderson. He was a student under Burgess. It seems this book is a posthumous collection of his unpublished work about hobos. --Apoc2400 (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, I see. Yeah, I think you're right; it looks like everything in the book is by him. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

About the hobonickels.org article: I don't think it is a reliable source, but the first part seems to be copied from the Norma Green speech, while the rest is from this and this Time articles. --Apoc2400 (talk) 21:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hobo News Review

There was also a Hobo News Review, run by Jeff Davis and his organization Hoboes of America, inspired by How and the IBWA. http://books.google.com/books?id=yZoj2kr2-OkC&pg=PA256&dq="Jeff+Davis"+hobo+news --Apoc2400 (talk) 21:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Do you think we can copy the image at http://hobonickels.org/thenews.htm (http://hobonickels.org/books/thenews.jpg), either with a fair use claim, or as out of copyright? --Apoc2400 (talk) 21:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mattisse also suggested that at Talk:Street newspaper. I ended up not bothering with it there because I didn't think it was necessary (and there are already two fair-use images there...if this is out of copyright then that wouldn't matter, but I dunno), but here it would probably be worthwhile. We could leave a message at one of the image/copyright noticeboards asking if this is out of copyright, but I think it would be easier just to put it up as fair-use, that way we're erring on the side of caution (and it's less work anyway). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, how much I wish this picture was free: [5] --Apoc2400 (talk) 10:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow...now that is an epic photo. It would be nice in the How article too. I don't think we can even make a fair use claim for it, though...darn. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A picture of the Hobo News sold among other worker papers: [6]. Copyright unknown. --Apoc2400 (talk) 10:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK?

Street News just got on the main page, and I think this article is ready to submit to DYK too. The writing could always be nicer, but I see you fixed it up a bit, and we can leave some work for the DYK readers. Hook suggestion:

... that Hobo News was a newspaper for hobos in America featuring both serious political articles and essays and poetry about hobo lore?

--Apoc2400 (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree that this one is ready; I didn't want to nominate it while {{underconstruction}} was up, but it's looking solid now. Do you have any plans for the James Eads How article yet? I was thinking, if you end up writing that within the next couple days, we could do a good double-hook for these (or triple-hook, with International Brotherhood Welfare Association); I think a hook about how How was a millionaire but decided to live as a hobo for a while would get a lot of clicks from the main page. If you weren't planning on writing that article just now, though, don't worry, there's no need to hurry; this is just a random thought. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I want to write James Eads How as well. I don't think International Brotherhood Welfare Association deserves its own DYK, but it could be used in a double-hook. I only wish the name wasn't so long. --Apoc2400 (talk) 13:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I went ahead and nommed them both: T:TDYK#Hobo News, International Brotherhood Welfare Association. How can probably be his own DYK a little later. If we find the image (in the above section) to be out of copyright, we might be able to use that in the DYK hook as well...although I'm not sure if it will show up well at 100x100px. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I asked about the image as you saw. You should include yourself as author of the DYK too. --Apoc2400 (talk) 13:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image date

Nice work with the image! rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm glad I found it. Do you think I can safely label it "Volume 4 Number 8, April 1919"? The image is just not clear enough to be sure. --Apoc2400 (talk) 15:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like either 1918 or 1919 to me. If the paper really did start in 1915, then I guess it would make sense for "volume 4" to be 1918...although they could have had two volumes in one year, or something. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Second newspaper

I recall finding a copy of one of these in my grandmother's attic in Chicago back in the 1960s. It seemed to have been published during World War II, as it had numerous jokes about coping with wartime shortages. I think it was printed on different-colored sheets of newsprint, either in a consious attempt to look "patchwork," or perhaps because they used whatever leftover paper stock was available. WHPratt (talk) 21:48, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Technically, as the masthead shows, the first Hobo News was called the "Hobo" News. Move over the redirect? Yngvadottir (talk) 12:59, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]