Talk:History of persecutions by Christians

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I notice that while the Article "Persecution of Christians" is tagged under WikiProject Religion/Inter Faith and WikiProject Christianity/Jesus ", this article is unsurprisingly not. No effort has been made by wiki to improve it's quality or importance, especially given the fact that numerous political environment, cultures and religions around the world have been adversely affected over several centuries as a result of Persecution by Christians. I recommend that this Article be linked to the Persecution of Christians article and vice versa, so that the topics may be read together in balance and with perspective! TheOnlyEmperor (talk) 09:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Persecution by Christians has been present and CONTINUES in several forms

The article needs to cover all the aspects given below as persecution can overt as well as covert and subtle.

1. Political persecution : Inquisition related - BY COUNTRY, colonization related, slave trade, religious profiling, non-recognition of other religions by the state (Italy doesn't recognize Hinduism), permission to pray, worship and construct places of worship ( mosques and minarets in Europe), objection to wearing traditional dresses coming from non-Christian cultures-religions in public places etc. 2. Religious persecution : Proselytization, vilification, demonisation and demeaning other faiths. 3. Economic persecution  : Incentivising non-Christians to convert through various "charities". 4. Social persecution : By imposing Judeo-Christian laws on non-Christians, by favoring Christian children in schools constructed by them, by making non-Christians read the Bible and attend Mass in Christian schools, by making non Christians wear Christianised uniforms, by running orphanages as a means to convert orphans and street children, by not subjecting Christian priests to the laws of the land for pedophilia, or church accounts for tax inspection, by putting social pressure on non-Christians to adopt Christianised names in Christian majority countries, by insisting that proselytization is a fundamental right while refusing to acknowledge that it offends non-proselytizing cultures, etc. 5. Through Academics and Arts : By writing deliberately distorted, unfounded and untrue versions of history and pre-history and circulating such theories as gospel truth; by lampooning other religions and religious figures through newspapers, media, books, etc; by denigrating and condescending non-Christian traditions and cultures. TheOnlyEmperor (talk) 08:56, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

A page dealing with the history of persecutions by various Christian sects and governments is a worthwhile addition to Wikipedia. However, the page as it sits is in drastic need of a good editor. I'd do it myself, but it's beyond my skills.

I'd also like to suggest the removal of the section on the Crusades in and of themselves, as examples of historical persecutions. As the article states "The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns". The crusades were aimed at regaining Christian control of the Levant, rather than simply suppressing or persecuting other beliefs and practices. A section should instead be created documenting various persecutions committed during the crusades by crusading states and armies; rather than simply declaring the crusades themselves as a persecution.Philip72 (talk) 1:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

--- I feel that the Crusades are an important part of this topic and should not be overlooked entirely. I also second the need for editing. I myself am not impartial or unbiased enough for task, but feel that it would be good if such a figure could step forward. --95.165.64.18 (talk) 16:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the Crusades being removed, unless someone can give a rationale as to why it involved persecution. Persecution is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as a malicious act motivated by religious hostility. The crusades clearly do not meet this criteria. 82.110.160.178 (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

An historical context for the Crusades might allow for the qualifications, above, to be articulated. If the Crusades are taken as a form of persecution, then it must be with the understand that it was a counter-persecution.

Perhaps we may wish to discuss persecution as:

• a state-sponsored outlawing of a religious faith and practice, verses
• states with a state-religion warring against another state with another state-religion, verses
• compulsory adherence to a state religion.

Those are three different categories, and yet still containing enough gray area for bias: e.g., The Church of England is the state religion and yet the degree of toleration of other religions (and atheism) is extreme to the point that "persecution" begins to take on an equivalency of "not popular."

--cregil (talk) 16:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The Christian Bible has also approved of slavery and provides many passages in discussing the purchase, care and sale of slaves. Wile the modern day christian scholars will argue the passages pertaining to slavery in the Bible are out dated and do not relate to the changing times we live in today.

Current persecutions by Christianity is against Gay, Lesbian, and Transgendered people world wide. With out any consent for the changing times we live in, or realization of the freedom of human beings to choose there own mate or life partner.

Today Christianity is pursuing laws to prevent marriage and legal benefits for homosexual couples. Christianity is using many forms of media to preach there anti Gay stand and deny that people who claim to be homosexual have been born that way.

Christian persecution of Gay Lesbian and Transgender people has included public humiliation, loss of employment, approval of the family to disown homosexual relatives, the rights to housing and medical care.

Wile many homosexual and gender conflicted people are very different in there sexual identities and attraction the christian church persecutes both equally with out any acceptance or willingness to understand there could actually be a natural or man maid reason for there sexual desires or identities.

Many GLBT, people that consider themselves as Christians are denied entry into the Christian Church.

The Christian church persecutes by racial couples and as late as November of 2011 one Church in Kentucky voted to deny entry of a by racial couple into there Church.

The KKK has used Christianity as there foundation against African Americans, Jews, GLBT people, and other non Anglo Saxon races.

Like many other religions as Christianity gains membership and power there will be some who will use it influence in a negative way. Today Christianity has been used as a foundation for cult groups such as the Jim Johns and his People Temple that ended in a mass suicide, to modern day political gain being used to put on a face of good will and good values while hiding a underbelly of greed and corruption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.210.130 (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Their is a difference between discrimination and persecution — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.209.248 (talk) 01:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

That is some fine pamphleteering 68.46.210.130, but seeing as this is Wikipedia you may want to collect reputable citations for your recriminations. In addition a Wikipedia talk page is where we discuss the layout and content of the associated article, it's not a place for posting angry unhinged rants.Philip72 (talk) 11:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)