Talk:History of Trumbull, Connecticut

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French soldiers under Rochambeau in Trumbull in Winter 1780

The current article states: "two companies of French soldiers, under the command of French General Jean-Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur, comte de Rochambeau, encamped a whole winter during the American Revolutionary War on what is now known as Mountain Hill, a high rocky bluff in the central part of the Village of Nichols Farm's. In December 1780, two dozen Hussar horsemen deserted and discharged themselves from their winter quarters in Lebanon and fled into the woods to the south [31]" The current link in the article is currently broken but at the same site I find Rochambeau in Connecticut, Tracing His Journey, Robert Selig, Connecticut Historical Commission, 1999. However this document, if I am reading it correctly, is primarily concerned with Rochambeau's main force which didn't enter Connecticut until June 1781 and traveled from Waterbury to Southbury to Newtown, to the north of Trumbull (retracing their route on their return). There is mention that Rochambeau was at a conference in Hartford in 1780, that Rochambeau visited Jonathan Trumbull at his war office in Lebanon in December 1780 and that a french cavalry detachment under the Duc de Lauzun was quartered in Lebanon from November 1780 to June 1781, though I am not finding any mention of hussars departing to the south. There are other Rochambeau docs at this site [1], so it is possible I am not looking at the right one that would support a presence in Trumbull in 1780. Abby Kelleyite (talk) 18:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC) Just to be clear, I'm talking specifically about the Selig citation, not questioning the other Lauzun cites in the section below. Abby Kelleyite (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing the link. Hulda Hawley's "story" about these 2 dozen French soldier's is taken from History of Trumbull Dodrasquicentennial 1797-1972 p. 18.

The mention of Hussar's deserting into the woods to the south is found on pg. 33 (Selig); "No wonder the men deserted: many of Lauzun's men seem to have liked America well enough to want to stay for good, even without leave. It is here that the multi-national character of the Legion, the sometimes checkered service record of its personnel, and its non-French ethnic composition asserted itself. A full third of the hussars were Alsatians, another 30% from German-speaking Lorraine. 24% came from the various German states, the remainder came from various European countries.113 Germans, however, were more likely to desert in America than French: of 316 deserters of Rochambeau's corps who avoided recapture, 104 were Germans or German-speaking soldiers of the German Royal Deux-Ponts. Another 186 were German-speaking soldiers mostly from Lorraine or Alsace in Rochambeau's other units. Of those, some 132 belonged to Lauzun's Legion, which gave the unit a desertion rate of about 20%, four times the overall rate of 5%. As early as December 1780, a complete patrol of hussars, horses and all, took off into the forests of Connecticut from winter quarters, and before the campaign of 1781 began in June, more than two dozen had granted themselves discharges".Tomticker5 (talk) 19:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't say anything remotely like that on page 33 of the document by Selig entitled "Rochambeau in Connecticut, Tracing His Journey" that I linked above but I think I may have found the right one this time. Rochambeau's Cavalry: Lauzun's Legion in Connecticut 1780-1781, although I don't think it really provides support for deserting hussars making a winter camp in Trumbull, though interestingly it would support a slightly longer summer camp from June 27-July 1 ("Lauberdiere has Lauzun encamped ... the evening of June 27th in North Stratford, where it remained until the morning of July 1." p. 35 Abby Kelleyite (talk) 19:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is the section I would refer to from page 33; "As early as December 1780, a complete patrol of hussars, horses and all, took off into the forests of Connecticut from winter quarters, and before the campaign of 1781 began in June, more than two dozen had granted themselves discharges". In the book Tales of Trumbull's Past by Dorothy Seeley (1984) it mentions Hulda Hawly's account about the two dozen French soldier's and the coins that were found in present-day Abraham Nichols Park. Also, Rochambeau's letters to G.Washington substantiate Lauzun would be at North Stratford on June 28, 1781. While the main army moved through Newtown Lauzun protected the southern flank 15 to 20 miles to the south in present-day Trumbull.Tomticker5 (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've got no problem with the summer camp and Lauzun supporting Rochambeau's left flank in North Stratford, though I think you could claim an even longer camp than the article currently does based on Selig's cavalry article. If Seeley herself suggests that the deserting hussars Selig writes about were the actual soldiers in Hawly's account, you could definitely cite Seeley for that proposition, assuming she's a WP:RS, and include the Selig reference to support the fact that there were in fact deserting hussars. If Seley doesn't suggest that then I think it's WP:OR or WP:SYNTH Abby Kelleyite (talk) 20:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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