Talk:History of Portuguese

Portugal Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Portugal, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Portugal on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PortugalWikipedia:WikiProject PortugalTemplate:WikiProject PortugalPortugal articles

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Portugal To-do:

Find correct name The airport is not listed as João Paulo II anywhere. The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of João Paulo.

Improve key articles to Good article

Improve

Review

Category:History of Portugal: lots to remove there
Template:Regions of Portugal: statistical (NUTS3) subregions and intercommunal entities are confused; they are not the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are not statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this box).

Requests

See Requested articles

Assess

Help assessing articles.

Need images

Translate from Portuguese Wikipedia

Wikify

Vote:

Watch this list — Edit this list

History Mid‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Languages Mid‑importance

	Language portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Languages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of languages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LanguagesWikipedia:WikiProject LanguagesTemplate:WikiProject Languageslanguage articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 August 2020 and 23 November 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Carmelaguag.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 23:33, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why?

I don't see why this article is being moved back from history of Portuguese constantly. That title can only reasonably refer to the language in proper English. If it were called "history of the Portuguese" it would be different, but that's not a problem since it's not standard usage of English to use the language name that way and implies the people rather than the language. As far as I see it, only the langauge can be properly referred to in the singular indefinite form.

Peter ^Isotalo 08:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on History of Portuguese. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081006160601/http://www.arqueotavira.com/Mapas/Iberia/Populi.htm to http://www.arqueotavira.com/Mapas/Iberia/Populi.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:00, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on History of Portuguese. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://archive.is/20121208183539/http://www.revistadehistoria.com.br/v2/home/?go=detalhe&id=941 to http://www.revistadehistoria.com.br/v2/home/?go=detalhe&id=941

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:35, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Voicing is Lenition

It's more than a bit odd to have degemination listed as Lenition, but voicing not. Voicing is the classic oft-cited lenition of Western Romance (and it should be clearer in the text that it's phonemic). An argument can even be made that in its essence degemination is syllabic restructuring rather than a form of lenition tout court. That's getting much too deep into the weeds for a Wikipedia article IMO, but it should be presented that voicing is lenition as well, and that it's, e.g. /k/ > /g/, not simply [k] > [g]. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of English which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 17:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of English which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 13:16, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic roots missing

Portuguese language has a lot of influence from Arabic. A seemingly relevant fact that is completely omitted in the article. See https://alugha.com/article/92fe92f1-fd2e-11e8-83a9-034d661187a4?lang=eng — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.250.97.100 (talk) 13:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nasalization: no examples with medial 'm'

Is it because all such words, e.g. primeiro, amar, are borrowings from Spanish, or is the current introduction to this section wrong and only n was elided in that position? 195.187.108.4 (talk) 18:30, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is inaccurate: "In medieval Galician-Portuguese, /m/ and /n/ between vowels or at the end of a syllable became the velar nasal phoneme /ŋ/". Medial /mm/ and /m/ merged in the more general collapse of geminates due to /m/ undergoing no disturbance, unlike /n/. Note that there are no examples given of "elided" medial /m/. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 18:03, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. No examples of medial m turning into nasalization, as if the part you're citing was inaccurate. 195.187.108.4 (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right. The statement "In medieval Galician-Portuguese, /m/ and /n/ between vowels or at the end of a syllable became the velar nasal phoneme /ŋ/". is untrue. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]