Talk:History of Flagstaff, Arizona

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Review: August 23, 2020. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from History of Flagstaff, Arizona appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 September 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a flag pole named a city?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/History of Flagstaff, Arizona 2.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BlueMoonset (talk) 14:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Flagstaff in Flagstaff

... that this pole (pictured) named a city? Source: Text and image in article: commemorative flagstaff for which the city of Flagstaff was named [1], [2]
- ALT1:... that Flagstaff, Arizona, prospered during the Great Depression, due to financial grants to improve Route 66 through the city? Southard, John Larsen (2013). "RICHES, RUIN, AND RECOVERY: The Impact of Route 66 on Flagstaff, 1926 to 1938". The Journal of Arizona History. 54 (2): 153–174. ISSN 0021-9053. JSTOR 24459232.
- ALT2:... that at least six space objects have been named in relation to Flagstaff, Arizona, due to its long history serving as the discovery site of Pluto and Charon, the Apollo astronaut training site, and for Moon landing site mapping? Sources: a variety toward the end of the Route 66 and city growth section

Reviewed: Independent Network Charismatic Christianity
Comment: I'm not sure if alt0 is a bit too AFD, feel free to pick whichever.

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 17:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I don't think this is DYK eligible. Per F8, " A 'new' article is no more than seven days old. This does not include articles split from older articles, although an article sufficiently expanded from a section of an older article can be a fivefold expansion." b uidhe 22:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Given the minimal size of the section in the article before I rewrote it in under a week, I'm sure it qualifies. Kingsif (talk) 03:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Before your edits which began 4 April, there was 5519 characters of readable prose in the "history" section. History of Flagstaff, Arizona currently has 24 kB of readable prose, slightly less than 5x epansion. (you need 27595 characters). Seven days before you nominated it, however, the history section in Flagstaff had already been significantly expanded [3]. Although personally, I think 5x expansion should be relaxed, technically it's not eligible for DYK. b uidhe 04:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, don't worry - and I kind of like the 5x rule, it makes it a challenge when I do get an article over that threshold ;) Kingsif (talk) 15:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset: How do I un-nominate again? Kingsif (talk) 00:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kingsif, you just say you want to withdraw the nomination, and we close it as withdrawn. Shall I do so? (I did double check using Duplication Detector, and since nearly half of the article came from Flagstaff as it was prior to April 6, it isn't eligible.) Note that should the article ever become a GA, it will be eligible for DYK at that time. Sorry it didn't work out this time! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, just close it - no worries :) Kingsif (talk) 04:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

@Kingsif: The lead (1 paragraph, 1032B) seems a bit short for the length of the article (~24 kB). It should probably be expanded to 2 (or 3) per MOS:LEADLENGTH. _{The best rule of thumb I have is that a lead contains ~10-15% of the prose for articles of this length. This is probably not the best rule of thumb (many shorter articles have longer leads), but the lead is at about 5% (unless the article has at least 40-50 kB, it's probably too short)} Username⁶⁸⁹² 01:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:History of Flagstaff, Arizona/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 15:34, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Starting review

Hello, Kingsif. I'll do this review. Hope to provide some feedback soon. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:34, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Basic GA criteria

Well written: the prose is clear and concise.
Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction – not applicable.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation – not applicable.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for use of quotations.
All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided.
All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc.
Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline.
No original research.
No copyright violations or plagiarism.
Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style.
Neutral.
Stable.
Illustrated, if possible.
Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright.

Summary

Hello again, Kingsif. This is an excellent historical article which covers a wide scope ranging from astronomy to sport through a variety of topics such as commerce, geography, politics and transport. I was especially pleased by the attention paid to the prehistory of the region.

As you can see from the list above, all the boxes are ticked. I just made a few small tweaks while I was reading it, like a rogue comma and a couple of instances where I think there is a better word. I'm not going to beat about the bush with this one because it is demonstrably a good article and it passes this review with ease. I would say, in fact, that you've perhaps come to the wrong place because this really should go to FAC. I see, though, that you're still doing some fine tuning so perhaps as well to ensure GA first.

I'll keep the article on my watchlist and, if you do decide to take it to FAC sometime, I'll join the review there. A very interesting article and I can certainly say I've learned some things worth knowing. Well done. All the best and keep safe. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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