Talk:History of Asperger syndrome

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DA van Krevelen

DA van Krevelen is another early (1962, 1971) author to discuss autistic psychopathy in English:

Fenke (talk) 07:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Asperger's and "maleness"

This article contains the statement: A person with Asperger's is often remarked as possessing masculine traits like emotional distance from the inability to empathize, and far more boys than girls are diagnosed with Asperger's. it is interesting to note in this context that Simon Baron-Cohen has expressed the view that it is an expression of the "Extreme Male Brain".

See "The Essential Difference: Men, Women and the Extreme Male Brain" ISBN 0141011017. This seems to coincide with my personal experience... Soarhead77 (talk) 15:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in History of Asperger syndrome

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of History of Asperger syndrome's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Lyons":

From Hans Asperger: Lyons V, Fitzgerald M (2007). "Did Hans Asperger (1906–1980) have Asperger Syndrome?". J Autism Dev Disord. 37: 2020. doi:10.1007/s10803-007-0382-4. PMID 17917805.
From Autism: Lyons V, Fitzgerald M (2007). "Asperger (1906–1980) and Kanner (1894–1981), the two pioneers of autism". J Autism Dev Disord. 37 (10): 2022–3. doi:10.1007/s10803-007-0383-3. PMID 17922179.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The bot guessed correctly in going with the Autism citation. Eubulides (talk) 03:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Eccentric"

I don't know where to find references for it and thus won't add it myself, but I think there should be a section comparing the disorder to the old concept of "eccentricity". 63.3.9.1 (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Asperger uses the phrase "high-strung" frequently in his paper to identify the patients and their parents. That might be related.--Mr. 123453334 (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merging "Marc Segar" article with "History of Asperger Syndrome"

I propose that the article "Marc Segar" be merged with this article "History of Asperger Syndrome" as the Segar article is lacking in content, and much of the information concerns the history of Asperger Syndrome rather than the individual it is about. Furthermore, this person, Marc Segar, is not a very notable person; it is not necessary to have an entire article dedicated to Segar when a mention in the "History of Asperger Syndrome" would suffice.Sdc3000 (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merged-from

The article Marc Segar has been merged to History of Asperger syndrome#Early studies.

I have removed this text to talk because it goes off topic, and needs much better sourcing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Among the earliest patients to be diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome was Marc Alexander Segar. (April 2, 1974- December 1997).^[1] Hans Aspergers' original writings on Asperger's were only translated into the English language in 1981, the year Segar was diagnosed, and only widely popularised in 1991. In 1985, in the Dictionary of Psychiatry, Asperger's Syndrome was mentioned in an eight-line description on page 16. The author was Henry Walton. At this time there were no published first person accounts by those diagnosed with Asperger's, and Segar was among the first people in the UK diagnosed with Asperger's to write a first person account of the condition; a handbook of life for autists.

While recognized primarily in the autism field, some of his ideas now go against current common acceptance. For example: "I myself believe that if a borderline autistic person has to go out into this rather obnoxious world independently then the last thing they need is to be sheltered".^[2]

References

^ http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~alistair/survival/
^ Segar, Marc (April 1997). "Introduction". Coping: A Survival Guide for People with Asperger Syndrome.

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Lack of History

After reading this article, I find that there is little history of Asperger syndrome. Rather, it just seems that there is choppy sections about the people involved in the history of the syndrome. I feel like there needs to be more in the development of the syndrome overtime to go along with all the figures in the syndrome's history. There is little flow from the different parts of history. There is just a brief section for early and contemporary. I think it will be beneficial to find a greater extent of the history behind Asperger Syndrome and how the history has impacted what is now as the syndrome today. 20:42, 9 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LisaBlakeleySnyder (talk • contribs)

The history of Autism, Asperger's Syndrome and Schizoid Personality is still undeveloped. Georg Frankl (George Frankl in the USA)'s role as a "missing link" between Asperger and Kanner is only now being explored, so it would be premature to say anything much here. Suffice it to say that he seems to be the first to have written about "Language and Affective Contact," in a paper published immediately after Kanner's in "Nervous Child." He was a Jewish physician, Asperger's senior colleague, who was passed over for headship of their unit in Vienna. He worked with Kanner after escaping to the USA. His wife Dr Anni Weiss, whom he married in the USA, had been the psychologist in Asperger's unit. Either of them might have read Sukhareva's German-language papers of 1926 & 1927, if Kanner did not have access to them after his move to a state hospital in the USA in 1924. However, Johns Hopkins University should have had them. NRPanikker (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References: (1) Muratori F & Bizzari V, "Autism as a disruption of affective contact: the forgotten role of George Frankl. Clinical Neuropsychiatry (2019) 16 (4) 159 - 164

(2) Muratori F, Calderoni S & Bizzari V, "George Frankl: an undervalued voice in the history of Autism. European Child & Adolescent Psychiatry (2021) 30:1273-1280. https://doi.org/10/1007/s00787-020-01622-4

NRPanikker (talk) 01:31, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History is Lacking - Needs Development

This article is not fully developed, and displays a short amount of history of Asperger syndrome. The history that is included in this article does not go into depth and fully cover that particular event or figure. There is no adherent flow form one part of history to the next. Overall, this article should describe every aspect from the history of Asperger syndrome, and the figures that shaped the findings of Asperger syndrome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ho154095 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Intro

I think there could be some work done with the introductory paragraph for this page. The first sentence is choppy and does not flow smoothly when I read it out loud. Also it throws out a lot of information all at once. I am going to work on it. Ho154095 (talk) 00:54, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

The entire Fritz V. section is cited from Hans Asperger's report I linked twice. Click on [11] --Mr. 123453334 (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Work

Kanner and Asperger described related syndromes at about the same time on opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean, and it took some years before their readers and students put their contributions together. The Iron Curtain seems to have served as a greater barrier than the ocean, since Grunya Sukhareva's description of the same condition was unknown to most Western workers in this field until Dr Sula Wolff published an English translation of Sukhareva's 1926 German-language paper (in which her surname was hyper-Germanised to "Ssucharewa"). We are told that this was a translation of her Russian paper of 1925, but according to Charlotte Simmonds' (in her PhD thesis) that paper in the Monatsschrift für Psychiatrie und Neurologie lacks the extensive bibliography of the Russian original. The translated paper describes her male patients only: there was a second paper about the females. Sukhareva continued to work and publish in child psychiatry, but it seems that none of her later articles or textbooks were translated into English. Neither Kanner nor Asperger refer to Sukhareva, though it is hard to believe that they would not have had access to the two German language papers. Was it because she was a woman, Russian, or Jewish? NRPanikker (talk) 21:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is much more about Sukhareva's work in the History of autism article. There may not be much point to duplicating it here as the History of Asperger syndrome. NRPanikker (talk) 21:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~alistair/survival/

[2] Segar, Marc (April 1997). "Introduction". Coping: A Survival Guide for People with Asperger Syndrome.

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