Talk:Historiography of the Crusades/GA1
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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 15:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Criteria
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- No DAB links
- No dead links Although I suggest archiving with the WayBack machine.
- No missing citations
- The The RHC is divided into five series: [list of series]) section needs a citation, and I'd also suggest restructuring it to allow easier flow of the citation and text, as The RHC is divided into five series: Lois ("Laws", i.e. the Assizes of Jerusalem), Historiens occidentaux ("Western historians", i.e. texts in Latin and Old French), Historiens grecs ("Greek historians"), Historiens arméniens ("Armenian historians")
- Coverted list to text with more detail and less french! Sourced to Tyerman. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Norfolkbigfish: The text Much of the popular understanding of the Crusades derives from the 19th century novels of Scott and the histories of Michaud. is missing a citation; article is otherwise good to go. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sourced to Tyerman(2019) Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- @Norfolkbigfish: Some work needed with the citations:
- 1st: I'd avoid the usage of dictionary sources, it shouldn't be hard to find academic sources (perhaps even within the already cited books) which define the terms.
- I have used OED at FA before on House of Plantagenet with no objections? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 11:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- 2nd: The bibliography structure needs to be fixed to meet GA Criteria 2A. Need to tidy up the uncited materials, fixing capitalization and other issues.
- This should be done now? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 11:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- 3rd: The bibliography structure is convoluted, either:
- Bring the list of uncited sources up below the "Islam" section, an action which will help to bring the citations on the non-cited material into the references, as the reflist only collects references above it; although the lists probably don't need to be referenced as they are, themselves, references.
- or else separate the list of books not cited within the article to a new "Further Reading" section, and remove the references, which aren't strictly required as they are not currently prose or a footnote to prose. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 07:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- 3rd: The bibliography structure is convoluted, either:
- I have moved as suggested plus pruned what amounts to an arbitary list of sources, some of which are in the body, some that are not. I have left the references because they add a source to who thinks the primary sources are primary sources. What do you think? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 17:01, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Anything further Iazyges? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Prose Suggestions
[edit]Please note that all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion.
Lede
[edit]- have been subject to competing interpretations from the capture of Jerusalem in 1099 and possibly before. sentence structure seems to set up for a "from [date]... to [date]" statement; recommend making some sort of "until the modern era" or some such statement.
- Added to the current day Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- meant that crusading was always controversial. suggest meant that the crusades were always controversial to avoid using crusading twice in two sentences (i.e. the start of the next one.)
- Replaced second crusading with it. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Background
[edit]- against Palestine, Syria and Egypt: the First Crusade between 1096 and 1099 with a second wave 1101-1102, suggest against Palestine, Syria and Egypt; the most commonly accepted numbering holds the First Crusade between 1096 and 1099 with a second wave 1101-1102,...
Edits
[edit]I've made a few minor edits, feel free to revert any of them. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Iazyges:—many thanks, are we done now? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Norfolkbigfish: Yes. Passing now. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Many thanks Iazyges, much appreciated. There is another related one on the list Outremer, any chance you would like to run that one through GAR? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 09:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Norfolkbigfish: I would be delighted. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 09:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- Many thanks Iazyges, much appreciated. There is another related one on the list Outremer, any chance you would like to run that one through GAR? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 09:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)