Talk:Historical dance

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What is it?

I am confused as to the definition of HD. What makes a dance "historical"? Why are social dances which never completely died off and remain popular today or dances which have been recontructed and have a very popular following today on a list of dances deemed "historical" (see Polka, Two-Step, Waltz, Fox-Trot, Tango, Swing)? Are these strictly historical reenactements or can these dances evolve through contemporary choreography? Where were these dances performed? Does it matter where they were popular?

I find this whole concept perplexing.--tufkaa 21:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is not perplexing, just lacking an expert's touch. As for Polka and Tango, they should be mentioned here in the context of historical choreography. Aslo it should be mentioned that this term is applied to European social dances, not, eg. to Indian dances. And a number of other details. `'mikka (t) 23:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Social dances which didn't die out are generally not danced as they were in the past. People who describe themselves as teaching 'Historical dance' care about the distinction. Greg 00:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Minuet

What about this courtly dance?

It was listed, but only under its French spelling (menuet). I've added the English spelling. -Insouciance 11:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mid-19th Century

I imagine that turning helped to expose the ladies' calves, actually -- the purpose of hoop skirts was to show leg, which happened when the frame tipped at an angle.

76.90.133.214 (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1930s & 1940s

Lindy Hop was inappropriately listed (along with Swing). Lindy Hop is a specific type of Swing, and could be listed as a subcategory UNDER Swing, but it is inappropriate for it to be listed with Swing, Waltz, and Tap as if it were an entirely separate dance. Wikipedia article "Swing (dance)" says Lindy Hop is a type of Swing. Wikipedia article "Lindy Hop" says Lindy Hop is WITHIN the Swing family. To my reading Lindy Hop was called Swing in the 30s and 40s, so though Lindy is a type of Swing today, back then the two were totally interchangeable, all the more reason they should not be listed as separate dances under 1930s/1940s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.105.8.162 (talk) 01:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Measures?

I am revising John Ogilby (1600-1676), a Scottish [by birth] dance-master, impressario, writer and publisher, active in London for most of his life. Anyway, I had hoped to find a suitable article about "measures" for a wikilink this sentence:

At the time, a dancing master had expertise in "grammar (elocution), rhetoric, logic, philosophy, history, music, mathematics and in other arts":ref>Buck, G. (1615). "Of the Art of Revels". In Howes, Edmond (ed.). The annales, or generall chronicle of England, begun first by maister Iohn Stow, and after him continued and augmented with matters forreyne, and domestique, anncient and moderne, vnto the ende of his present yeere 1614. London. p. 988.</ref> ability to dance in "Old Measures' was considered an essential skill for the upper classes.^[1]
— John Ogilby#Childhood and youth (1600−1618)

See also Buck, G. (1615). "Of Orchestice or the Art of Dancing". In Howes, Edmond (ed.). The annales, or generall chronicle of England, begun first by maister Iohn Stow, and after him continued and augmented with matters forreyne, and domestique, anncient and moderne, vnto the ende of his present yeere 1614. London. p. 988.

Anyone? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:31, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Ereira, Alan (2019). The nine lives of John Ogilby : Britain's master map maker and his secrets. London: Duckworth. p. 40-41. ISBN 9780715652268. OCLC 1113456435. The dancing master's primary work was to teach a set group of eight dances which started off every night's Revels. These were the 'Old Measures' and seem to have been formalised quite early in the sixteenth century when the concept of dance as a reflection of the cosmic order was being developed.

[1] Ereira, Alan (2019). The nine lives of John Ogilby : Britain's master map maker and his secrets. London: Duckworth. p. 40-41. ISBN 9780715652268. OCLC 1113456435. The dancing master's primary work was to teach a set group of eight dances which started off every night's Revels. These were the 'Old Measures' and seem to have been formalised quite early in the sixteenth century when the concept of dance as a reflection of the cosmic order was being developed.

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