Talk:Highwind

"Ship's" limit breaks and other stuff like that

From the article:

During the game, talking to one of the pilots eventually brings up the conversation about the airship reaching it's "LVL 14 (Fourteen) Limit Break". The text is displayed in a flashing rainbow color. What exactly the pilot is talking about is never made clear, but many assume it is connected to the airship's ability to transform.

Errrmmmmm... looks like somebody didn't pay attention. The guy on the helm of the Highwind is a student pilot who gains piloting "levels" through the game - and his speech slowly moves from extremely frightened to calm as he gets more experience. Near the end of the CD 2, he's titled "Learner Pilot (L14 Limit Break!)" with the "Limit Break!" flashing, like in combat, though far slower. In CD 3, he's titled "Full Pilot".

I have screenshots of this; I don't think I'll add it to the article. It's one of the funniest jokes in the game, I wouldn't want to spoil it. (Eh, I think I just did. Drat.)

I'd love to edit the article to be actually truthful, but there's two issues: What about the "many assume" bit? (Is this zany theory of theirs documented anywhere? There's nothing in the game that indicates it's ship's "progress", only the pilot's.) Secondly, is this really worth mentioning at all, or just needless fancruft?

Personally, I'd remove this paragraph (and one day, unless people object too much, I will); it's just a very small joke that's better left unmentioned, even in "Spoiler" section. --Wwwwolf 16:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I removed the paragraph. I can't think of any good way to express this thing factually; maybe someone could write more of the Highwind crew, including the pilot who grows in levels. But as a singular factoid, I don't think it can stand alone. So, I think it should go for now... --Wwwwolf 15:53, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, it's not the kind of thing someone searching that article should care about, they want to know about the highwind, and it's capacities, origin, appearance. I never found theory on the many assume bit. It was contributed by 70.95.29.121 on May 31, 2005 who only contributed first to the All your base are belong to us article and then Highwind to finally disappear. Maybe he has now a true account. We can't verify that information for now at least. Anyway, all I wanted to say is that it does not, in my opinion, belong to the article, or need more info to be part of it. – DarkEvil 19:07, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

FYI, this same crap is in the Final Fantasy airships article, you guys might want to get rid of it there too.--Lord Shitzu 07:37, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dang, should stick more articles in the watchlist. Removed this stuff from there too. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 14:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Proposal

I respectfully disagree with the proposal to merge this article into the FF Airships general article, for the following reasons.

- The List of Final Fantasy Airships article is already rather unwieldly, with all the section headings and images that currently exist. Folding this article into the larger one would only serve to decrease its readibility.

- Other articles regarding entities, factions, objects, and places of similar importance in Final Fantasy VII have been granted their own articles. The Highwind should be no exception, as it does not differ qualitatively in this respect from those other storyline or gameplay elements.

- The Highwind is important enough both within the context of FF7, and as a significant storyline aspect of a popular CRPG, to merit its own article.

- There is more than enough information extant to fill a dedicated article about the Highwind.

- Wikipedia has more than enough room to contain a dedicated article about Highwind (among other things).

Disclosure: I wrote the first draft of this article, IIRC, in case this affects in any way the points above. Have a good night/day. AustinZ 05:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-=nods=- Okay, that reasoning sounds fair. Anyone else have opinions to contribute? Deckiller 00:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will remove the merge notice/suggestion at 10:00 PM EST if nobody else supports a merge. Deckiller 22:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I gotta say that I support it, myself. I just think it's a matter of perspective: WP:FICT discourages creating individual articles for concepts from a single work of fiction, and the Highwind does not seem to me to be special or notable enough to deserve breaking that rule. And while Wikipedia may have "more than enough room for it," my ultimate concern is to limit article sprawl. Spreading information that can be contained within one article across many makes it harder to locate specific information, and harder to provide the proper context for that information. There are plenty of articles larger than the current List of Final Fantasy airships, and merging the current Highwind article would only add two smallish paragraphs to that total, anyway (since the current entry in the list article is already three paragraphs). – Seancdaug 00:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-=Nods=- I agree. There can always be formatting changes to the lists, as well. Deckiller 00:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no further disputes (curretly a 2-1 pro-merge vote), I will merge this article in twenty four (24) hours. Deckiller 00:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say I really mind a proposed merge that much, as long as we can find someone to do some clean-up on the main FF airships page (which I still maintain is cluttered). I'd love to do it myself, but I barely have time now for regular Wikipedia tasks :). AustinZ 02:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree that the list format and prose should be cleaned; I'll try and work on it tonight or tomorrow, and then see if we all agree on the merge then. Deckiller 23:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - An easy redirect from Highwind to the List of Final Fantasy airships is easy enough. But then again, I'm a mergist :P čĥàñľōŕď 03:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]