Talk:Hiawatha (Amtrak train)

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Since the page had so much information on the Milwaukee Road's Hiawathas, Hiawatha (passenger train) seemed to make more sense than Hiawatha (Amtrak).

On 12 October 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hiawatha Service to Hiawatha (Amtrak train). The result of the discussion was moved.

ROW?

Which ROW does this AMTRAK service use through the City of Chicago? J. Crocker 18:38, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

[1] has that (under Metra's "Chicago Union - Glenview - Lake Forest - Rondout - Prairie Crossing - Grayslake - Fox Lake, IL" service) - eventually the article will have details. This is a former Soo Line route. --SPUI (talk) 19:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't seem to make sense, the route you described is called the MD-N line. It goes northwest from Chicago. The UP-N line goes directly north and seems to be a better route for going from Milwaukee to Chicago. J. Crocker 18:22, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Metra UP-N trains run into the Ogilvie Transportation Center, while Amtrak serves Union Station. There may be no connection. There may also be better track conditions or dealings with the owners of the MD-N than the UP-N. --SPUI (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The MD-N does go north until Rondout, where it turns west, but Amtrak continues north. --SPUI (talk) 00:55, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move

The article as named is a misleading conflation of two different services. In the 1970s Amtrak operated a Hiawatha on the Chicago-Minneapolis route. This was a direct successor to the old Milwaukee Road brand. Separate from this is the Hiawatha Service, an umbrella term for a number of trains on the Chicago-Milwaukee corridor (which have at times had their own names). I would suggest treating the newer Chicago-Milwaukee Hiawatha Service (Amtrak) as its own concept in its own article, with links back to this article discussing the old Hiawatha, which really died off with the North Star. Note that Amtrak refers to the current service as "Hiawatha Service" on its website: [2]. Mackensen (talk) 12:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Train name, misnomer

The problem is that the train name itself is a huge misnomer or deception. Given that the original Hiawatha trains were several in number to and back from Minneapolis, it is deceptive to name Milwaukee run, a small fraction of the run, Hiawatha.Dogru144 (talk) 00:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When I made that comment the article was at Hiawatha (Amtrak), which was all kinds of bad. I moved it to Hiawatha Service a few days after making that comment. It's not completely deceptive--Amtrak does use the ex-Milwaukee Road, and if Wisconsin and Minnesota ever get their act together we might see a Hiawatha or two extended north. Mackensen (talk) 23:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 12 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Closed per consensus to move as the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:13, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hiawatha Service → Hiawatha (Amtrak train) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, most sources refer to the train as simply the Hiawatha, as well as Amtrak, for example on both the official Hiawatha train's website, as well as on Amtrak's official website. I could not find any common sources referring to the train as the Hiawatha Service. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 07:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support : The word "service" is redundant and is not the name generally used in official sources. Packerfan386beer here 02:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: At Hiawatha_(train)#Amtrak, there is some detail on a potential historical difference between the Hiawatha and the Hiawatha Service, although it is unsourced. I also do still see the Hiawatha Service name used here on amtrakhiawatha.com. Despite all this though I do support the suggested move, largely just to keep it consistent with the article names used on all the other services/trains listed on the list of Amtrak routes as none of them seem to use the service nomenclature. Rovenrat (talk) 12:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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