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The beginnings of progressive rock here?

I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but could "Hey Jude" perhaps be the first prog rock song? Listen to Yes's "Starship Trooper" or "I've Seen All Good People" (both from The Yes Album) and try telling me they don't owe anything to this song... --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh, no. I'm pretty sure Soft Machine was putting stuff out at this point. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't heard of Soft Machine before - thanks for letting me know! For that matter, few of my friends have ever heard of Yes (given that I'm 16, that's hardly surprising). --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 00:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

the beatles we're even some years before hey jude progressive, just read this sentence right out of the progressive rock article: Allmusic cites Bob Dylan's poetry, The Mothers of Invention's Freak Out! (1966) and the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967) as showing the "earliest rumblings of progressive and art rock",[1] while progressiverock.com cites the latter as its "starting point",[2] although earlier albums such as Rubber Soul and Revolver had begun incorporating Eastern music and instruments not common in rock music.

Discussion of text addition under "Inspiration" section

I reverted the following addition today, an action which seems to have spurred a bit of an edit war:

The lyrics, written when Lennon was beginning his relationship with Yoko Ono, are a direct encouragement to a person to pursue a relationship. After the break up of the Beatles, McCartney maintained that the song referred to Lennon's son Julian. However, If "Hey Jude" is replaced by "Hey John", as was Lennon's understanding of the song, it was a direct endorsement of his new relationship with Yoko Ono. Videos of the song's performance, in which McCartney looks directly at Lennon as he sings the words add weight to this argument

The bit about YouTube actually isn't the main objection I have to this addition: rather, it's speculative and original research. Wikipedia norms preclude writing one's own interpretation of the song lyrics, as well as citing as evidence one's inferences from a video. If we can cite a published source for that interpretation, that's a different matter. -- CasperGoodwood (talk) 01:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Personnel section

Why did someone remove that? It is important enough to mention. Helpsloose 18:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed it because I realized it was redundant and unnecessary. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

it is not redundant. it looks like there is consensus for a personnel section on songs, why is this an exception? this is notable and sourced information. Helpsloose 19:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

About a dog?

What I'm about to ask isn't a joke. A relative of mine who's usually pretty knowledgeable about the Beatles claimed this song was written about Paul's dog. Just wondering if any Beatles-fanatic could tell me where that rumor started, or if it even existed (she might just be insane). If there is some reality to this, it's probably worth a mention. I thought maybe John may have said it in an interview or something, you know how he is. Thanks.--Asderoff (talk) 03:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The song about Paul's dog is "Martha My Dear". WesleyDodds (talk) 05:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Alternative Naming Origins

This is a true piece of information. For an entire week, John Lennon was deticated to partying and drinking. One day during this week, John was approached by a fan who asked him

"Was Hey Jude written about Julian?"

John responded

"No, it was written about Brain Ebstien, and it was originally called Gay Jew,".

The text may not be exact, but I know it is prescise enough to remain accurate. I was wondering if this should be added to improve the article. I didn't add this beacause I didn't know how to add it in a respectful manner. If you have any comments on this, or know how to add it respectfully, please tell me.

This was not inteded to be disrespecful or degrading in any way. John Lennon actually said the above (as I said, the words may not be 100% accurate).

The Beatles Fan (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you plan to add to Wikipedia you need to keep a few things in mind. First, everything needs a source, so inserting it from your (apparently faulty) memory is not the Wikipedia way. Secondly, you got your facts wrong. The comment was made to Epstein when Epstein asked about a possible title for Epstein's book. It's already in the John Lennon article (and sourced) here. Ward3001 (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it a Pity

In the Concert for George, the Clapton/Preston cover of George Harrison's song "Isn't it a Pity" includes backup vocals that perfectly echo the "na-na-na" chorus from "Hey Jude." I thought it was worth a mention, but I guess this technically counts as trivia, so I don't know if there's a place for this factoid in the main article. Does anyone know if Harrison's original recording of "Isn't it a Pity" also includes the musical reference to "Hey Jude"? Minaker (talk) 02:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)