Talk:Herschel Weingrod

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Sources that are self-described sources for the juiciest celebrity gossip are not acceptable for contentious BLP content. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Surely with all these sources we can include in the article words to the effect of: "{{{Persons Name}}} was alleged to have been on a live stream of YouTube personality, Vitaly Zdorovetskiy, where he allegedly admitted to..." — GMH Melbourne (talk) 01:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once there are actual reliable sources covering it, and not gossip sites, click bait farms, and aggregators. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's an actual video of it, its a primary source. Go watch it, bro. 2601:404:D702:CBA0:5994:83C7:7E48:9961 (talk) 07:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable secondary sources are required, especially for something so controversial. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ScottishFinnishRadish has explained the situation very well but another point is that encyclopedic articles do not write allegedly admitted to. That is the language of gossip sites, click bait farms, and aggregators. Johnuniq (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vitaly's channel is filled with clickbait videos, where each time, a woman is featured on a dating site, pretending to be older than she actually is. This deceptive misrepresentation is entirely her responsibility. Herschel Weingrod, who is led to believe she's 23, did not violate any laws in this situation. Despite this, people quickly jump to conclusions and pass judgment without understanding the full context. The pattern of misrepresentation on Vitaly's channel creates a problematic dynamic and perpetuates a deceptive approach.

It's possible that some people have truly malicious intentions.

Since Weingrod is also a screenwriter, could it be that the two met to talk about filmmaking and other related topics? There are many ways to interpret the situation. Random x name (talk) 03:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! Interesting place for a first-ever edit. All the same, re It's possible that some people have truly malicious intentions: it's equally or likely more statistically probable that someone unfamiliar with WP:BLP or WP:RS or WP:RS/P who consumes Indian tabloids (per current search hits) would attempt to add the content without any particular malice. Let's continue to assume good faith prospectively. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 04:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Kind of weird how those same Indian tabloids are also the ones writing the recent cover-up puff pieces about him. It's almost like he's allegedly using his decades of connections with legacy media to allegedly suppress information about this from being published in Western news outlets while allegedly paying foreign bot farms to churn out ChatGPT-generated slop and poison the well for anyone wanting to take a closer look. Allegedly.)

In any case, I get it. To anyone on the outside looking in who isn't familiar with WP:RS: This guy has money, Wikimedia is a (very, very profitable) business, it doesn't want to get sued for libel, it needs someone it can point to and say "they said it, not us" if it gets on his article page and this winds up in court, and Sportskeeda or the Hindustan Times isn't gonna cut it, because anyone with money can pay Indian news outlets to say whatever they want. Even if, you know, you can literally see (allegedly) with your eyes that it's allegedly him in the video. If anybody can find a decent source to cite that wasn't allegedly paid for in rupees, I'll get on it like stink on a monkey.

Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 08:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of things are wrong in the above but I'll just mention one. There may be one or two editors who would care if the WP:WMF were sued, but none of them are here. The issue is that gossip will not be added to a WP:BLP. Instead, material has to be WP:DUE and reliably sourced. Johnuniq (talk) 10:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]