Talk:Herod's Palace (Jerusalem)

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Layout: Avi-Yonah vs. Gibson

@Zero0000: The article now follows Avi-Yonah's concept: "It consisted mainly of two palace wings placed north and south of a large garden." Shimon Gibson presents a different concept, with the two wings used by Herod standing side-by-side almost at the north end of the complex (the service buildings stood at the very end) and only separated by a narrow strip largely corresponding to the main road of the Armenian Quarter; then comes the garden; and then the barracks, at the southern end of the Western Hill crest. Here is Gibson's view (I added bold script; quoted from The World of Jesus and the Early Church, ed. Craig A. Evans, Chapter 7, The Trial of Jesus at the Jerusalem Praetorium, by Shimon Gibson. © 2011 by Hendrickson Publishers [1]):

"The northern edge of the palace precinct....three tall and impressive towers....Josephus wrote that "adjoining and on the inner side of these towers, which lay to the north of it, was the king's palace" (J.W. 5.176–183). The palace itself consisted of twin apartments or wings (the Caesareum and Agrippium) elevated upon a massive podium, parts of which have been uncovered in archeological excavations in the Armenian Garden.....palace was dismantled down to its foundations in the Byzantine period, in the fifth century CE.... Sufficient features of the palace have however survived, enabling us to provide for the first time a fairly good reconstruction of where the palace was situated and what it looked like.

The size of the actual palace building complex appears to have been 140 meters from north to south, judging by a set of broad, rock-cut steps uncovered in the present-day citadel moat, which ran along the north side of Herod’s building and by the podium boundary wall delimiting it to the south. Since, according to Josephus, the palace consisted of two wings, we may suggest that the palace was a square building with an equivalent distance of 140 meters from east to west.

The service buildings, with kitchens, installations, and storerooms, were located north of the palace in the area of the present-day courtyard of the citadel. This fits in with the fairly basic domestic remains that have been uncovered there.... The principal road running today through the Armenian Quarter roughly marks the central line dividing the two wings of the palace. The southeast corner of Herod's palace falls roughly beneath the complex of the present-day Armenian Church of St. James. The southwest corner of the palace was marked by a large tower named Mariamne, remains of which have been found in archeological excavations.

Herod established a magnificent formal garden to the south of the palace....(Josephus, J.W. 5:180–181)

Beyond the garden and to its south was the military barracks situated immediately within the west gate. In a number of places in his writings Josephus mentions the camp (stratopedon) in which a garrison of soldiers was lodged; this must be a reference to the barracks connected to the palace of Herod the Great, as a number of scholars have assumed."

If Gibson, who seems to have the latest archaeological findings on his side, is right, then Avi-Yonah's north-south symmetry is totally wrong. Gibson does sometimes tend to push facts to fit his theories a bit more than suitable, but who knows. Arminden (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2019 (UTC)