Talk:Hermann Göring/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 01:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

starting a review of this article, bear with me, first timer. Peacemaker67 (talk) 01:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

1. Well written. Yes, I made a couple of small grammatical changes, but otherwise excellent prose and compliance with the MOS. I suggest the citations are spread to 3 columns instead of 2.
2. Factually accurate and verifiable. I consider there are three important aspects of Goring's life that need to be better referenced or placed in context to meet this criteria:
a. I recommend the discussion of the controversy regarding his award of the Blue Max be clarified. ie either state what the number of air victories required was in May 1918 (if known), or state that it increased throughout the war, giving some context to the resentment of his squadron. I understand that the score was 30 when the war ended, but 8 when Immelmann got his.
b. The ref for his award of the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross needs a page number.
c. The ref for the Lt that smuggled the cyanide to Goring needs a page number.
3. Broad in coverage. Yes.
4. Neutral. Yes.
5. Stable. Yes.
6. Illustrated. Yes.

I'm placing it on hold for 7 days so the above points can be addressed. Otherwise, it is looking good. Cheers. Peacemaker67 (talk) 08:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The column width for the citations has been changed to 20 em, which will display as 3 columns on most monitors. The Blue Max: Lothar von Richthofen did not get his until his 24th victory, which he achieved in May 1917. I will snip out a bit of the text and will try to confirm at a later date whether there was a fixed limit on the number of kills required. -- Dianna (talk) 14:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By 1918, the number of victories needed to qualify for a Blue Max was a minimum of 20 confirmed.

To be exact, the first Blue Maxes were awarded for eight confirmed victories. The requirement was raised to 16, then 20 by 1918. See http://www.pourlemerite.org/ or any number of texts.

Georgejdorner (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have located the requested page numbers. Note that page numbers are not a requirement for GA. Thank you so much for taking the time to do the review. -- Dianna (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Diannaa, MisterBee1966 (talk) would probably know the answer to the Blue Max query. Kierzek (talk) 18:45, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Passed. Great job Dianna. Peacemaker67 (talk) 01:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to Hermann Dahlmann, Göring received the Blue Max with 18 victories when the standard was 20. He purportedly got his old friend Bruno Loerzer to lobby for the unwarranted early award. It gave Göring's jasta pilots another reason to distrust and dislike him. All this is contained in the references presently in the article.

Georgejdorner (talk) 17:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]