Talk:Here with Me (MercyMe song)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Here with Me (MercyMe song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: AJona1992 (talk · contribs) 17:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC) and MayhemMario‎ (talk · contribs) 17:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Comments from AJona1992

• Infobox: "Release" needs a {{Start date}} template, "Length" needs a {{duration}} template
  • Done
• File:Mercyme herewithme.jpg needs a better rational then currently presented. It lacks what all GA song articles have. See File:Amorprohibidosingle.jpg and File:Vision of Love.jpg for examples.
  • Done
• This sentence from the "Composition and critical reception" section reads "with a length of four minutes and nine seconds", I have yet to find any GA song articles that tells readers their length in the article body.
  • I've had other good articles by myself pass with, and many GA-class songs by Taylor Swift use it. I don't see the problem here.
• Wikilink beats per minute
  • Done
• Why do readers first learn about the composition and critical reception of the song? Where's the "background and production" section? Who wrote it? Which album was this song from? Who produced it? Remixed it? Were there any backing vocalist? How long did it took them to record the song? All of these comprehensive information is lacking.
  • The reason for this is, at the time of writing, I did not own the entire album, and as such lacked the liner notes which contain the recording information and the like. I own the album now, so I can fix the technical bits (ie. recording, vocals, etc.) Is the album it is on not mentioned in the lede and infobox?

    • Can you provide links to GA song articles that use this information? Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

      • I believe you meant to respond to the length comment, so here: Tim McGraw (song), Teardrops on My Guitar, Our Song (song), Love Story, White Horse (song), You Belong with Me, Fifteen (song), and Fearless (Taylor Swift song). Those are just a few of them.

• This sentence from the "Chart performance" section reads "In its sixteenth chart week, "Here with Me" advanced to No. 1, holding that spot for eleven consecutive weeks". Wouldn't it be better to express that this was its peak?
  • Done
• The "Charts" section needs to have the "U.S." ---> "US"
  • Done
• FN#2 publisher? (Rovi Corporation) also please wikilink Allmusic
  • Done
• FN#3 why is musicnotes.com italicized? (add '' '' so it won't be italicized)
  • Done
• FN#4 is this a printed publication? If so, it needs to be in italics. Why is the publisher Today's Christian Music italicized?
  • To make a long story short - it isn't now, but at the time of writing it was. Will add italics. The publisher italics is caused by the webcite template.

    • So you need to fix it, simply add '' '' to force it. Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

      • Has been fixed.
• FN#5 co-author "Lee Nentwig" needs to be consistent with the way you present authors ---> Nentwig, Lee. Also Crosswalk.com does not need to be italicized.
  • Done
• FN#15's title "Billboard Charted Singles" needs to be rewritten to "Billboard Charted Singles". "Mikecurb.com" does not need to be in italics.
  • Done
• FN#16, FN#17, FN#18, FN#19 and FN#20 Billboard needs to be in italics
  • Done

More comments

• In "background and production" what is the difference with "was written and composed"? Why not just simply say "was composed by"?
  • Composition only refers to the music, not the lyrics.
• "The song was mixed" ---> ""Here with Me" was mixed by"
  • Done
• This sentence is missing a word or a word needs to be removed "with mastering was handled by Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound"
  • Done
• Too many sentences in the article beings with "the song" - needs a variety
  • Done
• In "Charts" only like Billboard once and Radio & Records
  • Done
• FN#3 Allmusic needs to be wikilink
  • Done
• FN#6 why is crosswalk.com italicized?
  • Done
• FN#9's title ""Here With Me – MercyMe (Billboard)"" ---> ""Here with Me – MercyMe (Billboard)""
  • Done
• Once all of these and MayhemMario's review is complete your article can pass. Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• Wouldn't it be better if this sentence is written as "is a song by Contemporary Christian and Christian rock band MercyMe."?
• The FN problems (as stated above) are not done
  • Which ones?

  All of the ones I pointed out in the previous "comments". Best, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 02:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

  I thought I fixed all of those?

Prose comments from MayhemMario‎

Lead

• If I get this right, Peter Kipely, Dan Muckala and Brad Russell are not members of the band, right? If not, in the first paragraph of the lead, put "Written and composed by the band, aswell as Peter Kipely, Dan Muckala and Brad Russell,
• The lead second paragraph is really long winded, you could use an alternative such as:
  • "The song has peaked at No.1 in various charts, aswell as being ranked at No. 16 on the 2000s decade-end Hot Christian Songs and Hot Christian AC charts." - It just flows better, and means that when the reader gets to the 'Chart performance' section, they havent all read it in the lead.
    • I used a slightly different method, noting it's appearance on mainstream formats as well.

Grammar checked for Lead  Done

Background and production

• "The song was mixed by Shippen and produced by Kipley" Youve already mentioned their first names in the previous sentences, so just put their surnames.
• "produced by Peter Kipley, with mastering was handled by Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound."- Dosent make sense to the latter. Either put "produced by Peter Kipley and the mastering being handled by Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound." OR anoter alternative.
  • Corrected both

Grammar checked for Background and production  Done

Compostion

• "with a length of four minutes and nine seconds.[3] The song is set in common time in the key of B major, with a moderate tempo of 84 beats per minute and a vocal range spanning from B3-F♯5". You chnage from written numbers (italliced) to the number (bold). Change one of them. :)

- Everything else is fine. MayhemMario 12:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• Done

Well, Im going to pass it, but im only half of the reveiwer, so wait untill AJona passes it too, then it is a GA. MayhemMario 12:28, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I agree, nominator has done everything. Good work, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 13:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Composition

To which version of the song is the "Composition" section of the article intended to refer: the sheet-music version, an album mix, or one of the radio mixes? Not sure I've heard every mix that's been published, so there may be a version for which the article's description was accurate; but a couple of musical details are off with respect to the radio version that I've heard literally dozens of times, listened to carefully, and (I'll brag a little) played (by ear) myself. Two items in particular:

1) True that the highest note sung during most of the song is F# above middle C; but in the final, crescendo rendition of the chorus, Millard clearly hits, and sustains, G# above middle C:

MercyMe - "Here With Me" (Pseudo Video) @3:16

2) And "piano-driven"? Hardly. There are electronic-keyboard chords in the opening but nary a note from a piano to be heard anywhere in the song in any band-performed version I could find; the song clearly is guitar-driven, the rather odd assertion in the referenced CCM Magazine write-up notwithstanding. – HelpMyUnbelief (talk) 07:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)