Talk:Heraclius II of Georgia

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Erekle writen as ერეკლე on georgian alphabet.It is not read as Erekle especially "K". კ(K) is pronounce like hart G in Turkish not exacly K, and hard G in voice of Gamarjoba's G(great's, Good's etc...)This voice is a special voice in Kafkasian Voice Family(over 70 voices). This is a small information detail. :)

Kethevan

The sentence say's:

"and also arranged the marriage of his nephew Ali-Qoli Khan, who eventually would succeed him as Adil Shah, to Teimuraz’s daughter Kethevan".

Maybe the correct will be Erekle’s daughter Kethevan. Because Kethevan have no daughter with that name and erekle have. Geagea (talk) 23:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Geagea. Both Teimuraz and Erekle had daughters called Kethevan. It was Teimuraz's daughter who married the shah of Iran. Hope this helps. --Kober^Talk 04:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Former Muslim?

Heraclius never converted to Islam at best of my knowledge. Previous shahs also accepted non-muslim georgian princes to serve them and demanded conversion only prior to ascension on throne. But Nader Shah allowed Heraclius to ascend to throne as christian. - Sayfulhaqq (talk) 06:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Erekle had never converted to Islam. He was born and raised as Christian. --Kober^Talk 08:26, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy: Would you please explain your recent revert of my edits? --Kober^Talk 14:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the Georgian rulers in this era were required to be Muslim or they wouldn't recieve Persian support and be deposed. His grandfather Erekle I had to convert to Islam. The category is that he converted to Christianity from Islam.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How did whole kingship process work? Were only the kings before Erekle II forced to be Muslim in order to take the throne and the other members of the royal family allowed to practice Christianity? Or did all these kings during this period secretly practiced Christianity behind the back of their Muslim overlords?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 21:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The kingship had actually been dormant in Georgia since the mid-1720s. Prior to that, all kings had been required by their Iranian overlords to embrace, at least officially, Islam. Most of these rulers had Christian consorts. Many of them built churches and practiced Christianity "behind the back" of their Muslim overlords (they just had to turn a blind eye on that). Erekle had never been Muslim. He was allowed to be crowned as a Christian monarch for his contribution to Nadir Shah's war against the Ottoman Empire.--Kober^Talk 21:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Children with Darejan Dadiani

Darejan's article says they had 23 together. This article says they had 19. Which one is correct? Fench^¶ 21:59, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

David M. Lang as authoritative source

David M. Lang is used as source for descriptions of Heraclius's motivations, specifically that he wanted to link Georgia (through Russia) to Europe as a model for Georgia's development as a modern nation.

The nation, and nationalism, in the widely held understanding of those terms, do not apply until the late 18th century in Europe and the Americas, and later in other parts of the world. That Heraclius was so far ahead of his time is a marginal viewpoint, requiring stronger support in sources.

Note that Lang was criticized for "obscurities", "oversimplifications" and "unsupported conclusions", "lacks precision", for quoting without references and "controversial theses". (See Slavic Review, 1 March 1968, Vol.27(1), pp.133-135.)

I would therefore recommend that, as a minimum, Lang's claim be placed in the proper context, as a claim from a controversial writer. For the same reason, we should also include the full quote from Lang in the footnote. Can someone who has access to the book do that, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8h3d0kg (talk • contribs) 11:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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