Talk:Henry Norwest/Archive 1

Assessment

I have assessed this as a Stub, as it only contains the basic information on the subject, and of low importance, as I do not feel that many people outside of military history would be familiar with the subject of this article. Cheers, CP 03:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

His Rifle

At THe Military Museums A Ross rifle said to be his is on display. The signs says he used a newer rifle on the day he was killed and that rifle was taken by the German Sniper as a trophy. I cannot properly source this information but if someone can confimr it that would be wonderful--64.231.18.189 (talk) 07:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Date of birth, "Métis scrip" thing

I've gone ahead and nuked the precise birthdate as it's not supported in any of the cited sources, and is in fact directly contradicted by at least a couple of them. If someone has got an actual reliable source for it, then by all means reinstate "1st May 1884", but please include a verifiable source for it. At this point, the only checkable claims say "early 1880s" and "circa 1881".

Similarly I've knocked back "Henry accepted Métis scrip" to just "He accepted", as that's the form used in one or two of the sources, and the ambiguity plus the way they're written otherwise (and the uncanny similarity in their actual wording) seems to more suggest that "He" means Louis instead (as well as that they themselves all draw from some other more primary, but as yet obscure source). In all cases, as also explained in the inserted "{{clarify}}" tag, there's absolutely no explanation of what this actually means, or indeed whether it's anything a 3-to-4 year old (7 to 19 month old?) boy might be reasonably expected to do. Right now, writing this, I'm still clueless, even though there's at least three different things I can think of that "accepting (a/the) scrip" might mean, all of them probably still wrong. I'm somewhat tempted to strip the "Métis" out of that sentence too, as it's not entirely concrete from reviewing the sources whether that's the actual case, or if it was actually a Cree scrip and the original one-step-removed implication got mangled in some of the retellings.

(It probably doesn't help that much of the article in general reads like it was translated into English by a non-native speaker (a couple parts of which I already non-destructively tweaked for easier reading), other than where text has been clearly lifted wholesale from the source without the good courtesy of putting it in a quotebox; such confusion is almost inevitable in these cases, as the context is likely a lot clearer in the original language, or the author's mind, but doesn't survive the conversion.)

If someone could actually put some kind of useful explanation in there, either via further cites, a link to a relevant wiki article, or just plain old text (preferably all at once), as well as clearing up whether we're talking about Henry himself or actually his father, that'd be super-super helpful, thankyouplease in advance. 146.199.60.2 (talk) 18:42, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

NB, brilliantly, not even the Métis article itself makes it particularly clear; best I can blindly stab at is that it's something to do with the registration of land claims during European colonisation of the territory, during which the bleakly usual case held sway of native/first nations people and their mixed heritage descendants getting roundly shafted by the registering authorities. The word appears three times, in some close-knit sentences within a single paragraph, with no successive links and little explanation beyond the discussion of the issuance of the thing itself. Or, indeed, non-issue, which seems to be a significant thing in the demographic's history, and one that drove them to a semi nomadic lifestyle... in which case, there was likely no scrip to be accepted (thus it was actually the Cree one)? And it's highly unlikely an infant would be the one doing the accepting anyway, other than as part of a family / larger clan unit, or automatically upon being orphaned.

Arrrrrgh. Someone knowledgeable please sort this out. I have no taste for losing an entire evening doing possibly-fruitless research on this subject which I have absolutely zero foreknowledge of, and will likely just mess up anyway. 146.199.60.2 (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)