Talk:Henry Lingen

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I have removed the following becasue it is not biographic material about the subject of the article, but about his ancestors:

Turstin wife, Agnes being the heiress of Alfred of Marlborough, Baron of Ewyas, a Tenant in Chief and are recorded in Domesday with numerous manors and landed estates including a barony. A direct descendant of Turstin and ancestor of Sir Henry was Sir John Lingen of Lingen and Sutton d 1505 who fought at the battle of Mortimer's Cross for the House of York ensuring the elevation of Edward IV as King. Sir John married the illustrious Lady Elisabeth (Isabel) de Burgh a direct descendant many times over of the native and ancient Welsh Sovereign Kings and Princess of Wales and importantly a co-heiress of the Princes of Powys. Her ancestors included King John,several times over, Henry III and Edward I and Kings of Scots, France and Spain and most ruling houses of Europe. This included Frankish Emperor Charlemagne and other ancient lines. Her 6th generation grandmother, Margaret ferch Thomas ap Llewellyn being a direct ancestor of the Royal House of Tudor. Sir John and Elisabeth were the direct ancestors of Sir Henry Lingen and other Lingen lines represented today.

Furthermore, Sir John's wife was not an heiress of the princes of Powys, becasue the principality had become a marcher lordship when a more senior heir married into the Charleton family (see Powys Wenwynwyn). Her acnestor was merely William de la Pole (of Mawddwy), who had the lordship of Mawddwy. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

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This is an articel about henry Lingen. It is not the appropriate place for a long essay on his ancestry. I have accordingly deleted:

Ancient Origins of the Lingen Family

The Lingen family was already ancient by the time of his birth and is well documented in Rev Henry Robinson's Victorian Herefordshire families. One direct ancestor, Turstin de Lingen arriving with William the Conquer in 1066.{{Doomsday Survey landholder}. Alfred of Marlborough a Saxon land holder, married his daughter and heiress Agnes, to Turstin de Lingen. Alfred survived the Norman invasion and was Baron of Ewyas and Tenant-in-Chief in the Domesday survey in Herefordshire, Wiltshire and other counties. Alfred of Marlborough's uncle, Osbern de Pentecost built the first stone castle at Eywas in Herefordshire and was exiled in 1052 for supporting King Edward the Confessor against the Godwinson family, Earls of Hereford and later King Harold . Osborn, whilst in exile, died in the service of King Macbeth at the battle of Dunsinane. Alfred's post Norman invasion survival was probably assisted by Osborn, who leaving his castle to his nephew was not a supporter of King Harold Godwinson or his family.

Constantia de Lingen married in 1253 Grimbald de Pauncefort and was given Much Cowarne Court by her father Sir John de Lingen living 1260.

Sir Ralph de Lingen of Lingen and Sutton MP 1373,1381 married Margery Pembruggue of Tong Castle and their first daughter, Isolda de Lingen married Bryan Harley of Brampton Bryan and were the ancestors of the Harley's, Earls of Oxford, Dukes of Portland, and the Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother d 2002. Sir Ralph's second daughter Isabella de Lingen, Lady Pembruggue of Tong Castle married firstly her maternal cousin, Sir Faulk Pembruggue but later having a daughter Benidicta de Ludlow by Isabella's second marrage to Sir John de Ludlow of Hodnet. Benidicta married her cousin Richard Vernon of Haddon Hall and they were the ancestors of the Vernons of Haddon Hall and the Manners, Dukes of Rutland.

A notable and noble maternal ancestor, Elisabeth de Burgh d 1522 m Sir John Lingen of Lingen, Aymestrey d 1506 (both buried before the high alter in Aymestry Church in Herefordshire), she was one of the four co-heiress of the lordship of Mawddwy and was descended from the Native Welsh Princes of Powys Wenwynwyn and the native Kings and Princes of Wales including Rodri Mawr (the Great), King of Wales and also Llewelyn the Great, Prince of Wales. Elisabeth's other ancestors included King John several times, Henry III and Edward I and she was also closely related many times to the Royal House of Tudor . Sir John, fought at the battle of Mortimers Cross which elevated the Yorkist Edward IV as King of England.Sir Johns son Sir Joh Lingen d 1530 married Eleanor Milwater of Stoke Edith and the family settled on this estate which remained with the senior branch until it was sold to Paul Foley after the death of Sir Henry in 1662 as his son died soon after with his daughter inheriting the estate at Sutton Court near Aymestrey.

The senior Lingen branch, later adopted the additional name of Burton and Longnor Hall estate when one member married a Burton heiress. They later became the Burton-Lingens of Longner Hall, Atcham in Shropshire. They have a very detailed and ancient family tree in their family archives.

Sir Henry also shared common ancestors with Sir Ralph Lingen, 1st Baron Lingen), who was elevated to the peerage 1885 as Baron Lingen of Lingen in the County of Herefordshire and died in 1905, after noted civil and public service as Chief Secretary for Education and Chief Secretary to the Treasury.

Other cadet Lingen branches exist and share Sir Henry's ancestors and one branch by a younger son of Sir John and Elisabeth de Burgh settled in Wigmore near Lingen and later Clun in Shropshire a is represented by Andrew Lingen-Stallard MSc,RM,FRSA , Former Midwifery Advisor to Nursing and Midwifery Council and consultant midwife.

It might be appropriate to include some of this material in an article on a place they owned or in an article Lingen family, but it does not belong here. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC)