Talk:Henri Tajfel

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This entire article is a direct copy-and-paste job from http://www.eaesp.org/activities/own/awards/tajfel.htm

I don't know whether to delete it or what to do about it as i'm not very up-to-date with wikipedia's guildlines, but this seems like it's a bad thing.

Columbo2 03:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out, I ended up just replacing the copy-and-paste job with something short. Hopefully the article will expand from there. The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Copyright problems.--Commander Keane 03:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article says: "Still, members of both groups began to identify themselves with their group, preferring other members of their group and favoring them with rewards that maximized their own group's outcomes."

But, IIRC, that's not quite right. Tajfel's research shows that members of the in-group will choose to maximise the difference between the rewards for the in-group and the out-group even if it means a sub-optimal outcome for the in-group. I think. 99.232.75.237 (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. You are indeed correct. 4 years later the change has been made. Cheers Andrew (talk) 01:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Tajfel

The statement that Tajfel regularly sexually harassed his female students is potentially libellous. The Wikipedia cites an article in Feminism & Psychology in which there are reports by 3 female postgraduates. This constitutes an allegation (independently of whether these allegations are true). The correct statement should therefore be that Tajfel has been "alleged to have harassed female students". That Tajfel did not apply his theory to feminism is true. But following the previous statements about harassment, it is insidious. As the Wiki biography states, Tajfel's family has been killed in German concentration camps. As his own publications, cited in the Wiki biography show, this past history motivated his research. It is therefore only normal that he should be more interested in ethnic and racial conflicts (----). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tajfel PostDoc (talk • contribs) 14:12, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tajfel is dead. Ergo, it's not libel. You can only libel living people.

We report what reliable sources say. An article in a respected academic journal says that Tajfel directed unwanted sexual attention towards women. So that's what we report. We don't need to couch that with words like "alleged". We have a reliable source that has come to a conclusion: we can say what it's conclusion was.

The conclusion in that paper is based on 10 interviews: "All interviewees were present at Bristol for some period of Tajfel’s tenure at the institution and include Tajfel’s former postgraduate students, a postdoctoral researcher, and his Bristol colleague John Brown and his wife Maureen Brown. Of the ten interviewees only one—Dame Glynis Breakwell (1999)—reported they had neither experienced nor heard rumors regarding Tajfel’s inappropriate sexual behavior at Bristol."

The claim that he was more interested in ethnic and racial conflicts because of his own history may or may not be true. But Wikipedia reports only what is verifiable. Tajfel PostDoc has offered no reliable source to support this claim. It looks like original research to me. Bondegezou (talk) 15:29, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The weight of evidence has now accumulated and it seems clear that the case is made that he he sexually harassed woman, who were in junior positions, on several occasions. This has now been reported in several reputable sources, such as Rupert Brown in the Psychologist. ^[1] The comments above, defending Tajfel, are outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobBadg (talk • contribs) 12:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Brown, R. (2020) Realms of Recognition: Rupert Brown considers the life and legacy of Henri Tajfel (1919-1982). The Psychologist June 2020, Vol 33 (46-49). https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-33/june-2020/realms-recognition. (Accessed 12.3.21)

is it 100% appropriate to put the 'applying social identity theory to gedner' under sexual harassment? That seems like a note or a crticisim in another section, even if you want to connect the two causally, in criticism

It is not part of the same topic. One can make connections critically, either for the reader to poetnailly make assesing it or putting it forward explicitly, but it is not an example of sexual harassment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A310:E23F:400:49B6:33E3:5D25:791C (talk) 21:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Brown, R. (2020) Realms of Recognition: Rupert Brown considers the life and legacy of Henri Tajfel (1919-1982). The Psychologist June 2020, Vol 33 (46-49). https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-33/june-2020/realms-recognition. (Accessed 12.3.21)

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