Talk:Hellcats/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cast and Characters

So it's okay to remove my table chart with the cast and characters to help out the page, and it's way more acceptable to use the text that I spent time to write and add your own little "twist" to it? Whatever. OfficialThad (talk) 02:53, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Is there a difference? I used your text, I only removed the table. It was too big and not acceptable in a good article. Check other TV series articles and you will understand what I'm saying. Sorry if it caused any incovenience for you. Decodet (talk) 17:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm over it, already. I just thought it would make the damn thing readable. Oh Well. Have fun editing. I'm trying to find out who they've cast for the final three actors. OfficialThad (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

BTW, I should add that in the category section, it has "Teen drama" listed. I'm pretty sure all the characters are in their 20's and over, and are in college. Does that really qualify the show as teen drama, or is it just to say that it's a "drama" for "teens"? OfficialThad (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Break

May I ask why only aprox. 4 cast members are sourced, while aprox. 10 others aren't? ChaosMaster_Chat 01:31, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

The sources were in the 'casting' section but I have already added them to the cast section too. Decodet (talk) 02:01, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, is it really necessary to keep the "list" format? The "dots" are irrelevant when there is a picture to the right of them, and moving the picture would interfere with the infobox. ChaosMaster_Chat 22:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's a list of characters, pretty much done everywhere, and how does the image make that "irrelevant"? Image, no image, left right, still a list of characters. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 22:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't mean there has to be a list with those "dots", its still a list the other way, and it eliminates the redundant subsection. And what I mean with the "dots", is that it interferes with the presentation of the image. ChaosMaster_Chat 22:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

No it doesn't; on all three accounts. List pretty much used everywhere and makes it easier to see where one starts and the previous one ends, dots don't eliminate subsections, and they don't interfere with the image in any way. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 22:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, I think the dots make it clearer. Jayy008 (talk) 12:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Logo and episodes

Quick questions: Shouldn't the logo be a screen-cap of the title sequence? The title sequence was shown at the end of the first episode and showed the logo used for most of the promotion, contrary to the current one used in the article. Also, is there anyone that will add episode descriptions weekly? Just asking. ChaosMaster_Chat 02:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Let's wait til second episode if there are any contrary logos. As for the episodes, I just added a quick summary for the pilot, I'm might not be able to do it every week, if not, an anon will probably do it. Lastly, when will it be OK to remove those clean up tags. QuasyBoy 5:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

File:Hellcatsbillboard.jpg

This image is currently listed for deletion at Commons here, because the billboard it depicts is copyrighted. If this image is to be kept in the article, it should be uploaded to Wikipedia and a non-free use rationale posted on the image description page. postdlf (talk) 14:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Elena Esovolova

Is Elena Esovolova a part of the cast any more? I meant, since we have her on the main page, she should be notable. At first she was announced as a regular after the pilot, so she appeared in the pilot a lot, obviously. Then in ep two, she was seen, but not heard. Ever since, she hasn't been part of the show. Jayy008 (talk) 21:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think she's part of the cast any more. I think she should be removed from the article, since she has only appeared in the first two episodes and that's not notable... Decodet (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, I'll make the changes. Jayy008 (talk) 23:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Gail O'Grady

She wasn't on the credits for last nights episode (10), should this be noted as she's not a regular anymore? Jayy008 (talk) 20:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Awards and nominations

You say there is a rule that awards and nominations should be in prose format; please link me to the manual of style or guideline which says that. Also, "Awards and nominations" is a standard section header. "Accolades" is non-standard. Elizium23 (talk) 19:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

If that is standard, then I don't know why "Accolades" is used. I'd also like to see the rule. Jayy008 (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

International broadcasts

According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (television)#Media information, (to keep neutrality and make sure that Wikipedia is not seen as the American Wikipedia, it would be beneficial to the article to have any international broadcasters listed as well). for an example of a TV series extensively broadcast worldwide and how to present that information, see Sabrina, the Teenage Witch (TV series)#International. Elizium23 (talk) 20:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Sabrina, the Teenage Witch is horrible, see the talk page of the MOS for the discussion and definite move towards removing these, updating the MOS just takes times, This is the English wikipedia and including every country in the world, is not encyclopedic, and counter WP:NOT#STATS, that's why the move it to include English speaking countries only. Also take a look at a couple of FA show articles, they generally don't include any international broadcasters at all. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 20:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

What I meant by notable when I removed it was that it's "no issue," it simply airs on that channel. That's not enough. If you see 90210, it says that E4 beat compeition from Living, Five and ITV2. That's notable, that achieved media coverage. So it's notable. Simply saying "it airs on this channel," isn't enough. Jayy008 (talk) 00:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Gale Harold

I was just on The CW website and saw the Hellcats poster and the page and Gale Harold is now a part of it. Is he now a regular, can anyone confirm this with a source? Jayy008 (talk) 22:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Good Article Nomination

Since this article has been nominated for "good" status, I have been looking at it carefully. I have made various fixes, but there are a few more things I'd like to bring up which I am unsure about:

1. Under Critical Reception: It was praised and criticized by critics in several round-up reviews of 2009 in television. Shouldn't this be 2010, or am I misunderstanding? And is there a better way to say this? Maybe "in several general reviews of the 2010-11 television season"?
2. Under Development: Numerous promotional clips of Hellcats were released onto the Internet and aired on The CW. Is this really notable? Isn't this the case for most shows nowadays?
3. Under Cast and characters: The section about Marti needs a bit of a rewrite and/or more explanation. I’ve been stuck on how to do this, maybe someone else can help. I think it is awkward as is… and would be confusing to someone who has not seen the show.
   For example, Marti joins the team for the scholarship, not really “to continue her education”. Also, it is mentioned that scholarships are cut to Lancer employees, but we don’t learn until the next sentence that Wanda works there. Anyone want to take a crack at it?

Any comments/opinions? --Logical Fuzz (talk) 01:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Agree with everything you said. The year was my mistake, when I added this information to the article. I'm not sure but I think we should put 2010 because that was the year the show got their first reviews. The promotional clips sentence is totally irrelevant and I think we should remove it. About Marti's description, I tried to rewrite it and I think it looks more clear. What do you think? Decodet (talk) 01:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I definitely think it sounds better. I made a few tweaks for clarity. One question, though. Is Savannah's old college definitely described as "Catholic", or just Christian? Also, does anyone remember the name of the school? --Logical Fuzz (talk) 12:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Hm, I think it's just Christian and I can't remember the name of the school either Decodet (talk) 15:27, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I remember her mother saying "Catholic". Maybe we should say something like "religious school"? Just until we know for sure. I'm sure they'll mention it again before the season ends. Jayy008 (talk) 15:33, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. I would vote for "religious college" if we can't come to a definitive answer.--Logical Fuzz (talk) 15:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Let's put "religious college" then, until we find a definite term for her school. I'm pretty sure it will be mentioned again in a future episode. Decodet (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Another point: The following sentence (or something very similar) appears 3 times: "On May 20, 2010, during its 2010–11 season schedule presentation, The CW announced its intention to air Hellcats after America's Next Top Model on Wednesday nights starting September 8, 2010 at 9/8c." Are they all necessary? It seems very repetitive to me. (Lead, Production: Development, Broadcast) --Logical Fuzz (talk) 15:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I think we could re-write it in the lead and maybe in Development but I'm not sure how to do that. I think it looks good that way in the Broadcast section. Decodet (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind which section it's in, but I think it's important in the lead, but written differently! Airing after Top Model has never been good for The CW, so it's notable. Jayy008 (talk) 16:27, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Alyson Michalka

She is credited in the series as "Aly Michalka", not as her full name "Alyson Michalka", therefore shouldn't we put Aly instead of Alyson wherever she's mentioned in the article? Decodet (talk) 16:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Only in the infobox as the infobox is based on credit order and maybe the characters section. Definitely not in casting. Jayy008 (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Done! Decodet (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Elena Esovolova (Patty)

Finally here is why Patty isn't on the show anymore. Should this be added? I think it's quite notable considering she was a regular. Jayy008 (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. I think we should add a line about it in the Development or Casting sections. Decodet (talk) 04:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Done! Jayy008 (talk) 17:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Broadcast

Could the information about Australia cancelling the show be moved somewhere else? Jayy008 (talk) 01:11, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Cast

I don't want to go ahead and make a rash edit, but isn't the characters section just for series regulars on a main page? Jayy008 (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I think everyone's listed is a regular, aren't they? Because everyone has appeared in at least half of the episodes aired, I guess... Decodet (talk) 00:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

No, there's Gale Harold and the football coaches listed too. What should we do? Jayy008 (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hellcats/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 13:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Linkrot: one found and tagged.[1] Jezhotwells (talk) 14:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Reasonably well written apart from: The CW has announced that Hellcats is moving to Tuesday nights, at 9/8c, "9/8c" needs clarification, we don't use abbreviations. There are other instances of this.

   Switched 9/8c for 9-10pm. Is it better? Decodet (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

   Recption and accoldes sections: Stray sentences, Accolades is only one sentence, please consolidate into previous section

   Done! Is it better now? Decodet (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Ref #59[2] is a dead link. The newspaper only keeeps stories for 30 days, nothing in the Internet Archive. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

   Otherwise references check out, RS, no OR

   Couldn't find an alternative link, so I removed the line from the article. Decodet (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Sufficient detail, no trivia

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   OK, on hold for seven days for above issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

   Thanks for reviewing the article! Decodet (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

   Ok, I think that ticks the boxes. I am happy to list this. Congratulations! Jezhotwells (talk) 19:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Timing

My edit was reverted from 9/8c to 9-10pm. This is false information, it doesn't air at 9 in the whole of the U.S., so it should be noted that 9-10pm is in certain areas or one would assume it airs at 9 everywhere. Jayy008 (talk) 17:44, 16 March 2011 (UTC)