Talk:Helenio Herrera

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First Manager credited with his team's success

Not sure this is a reasonable claim. The likes of Herbert Chapman or Bill Nicholson (or many others I am sure) would suggest that managers were recognised for their responsibility and credited long before Grande Inter.

Something does not add up...

The article indicates that H. Herrera's father was a well-known anarchist who had fought against Franco and that he had left Spain for Argentina for political reasons. Since H. Herrera was born in Argentina in 1910, the "had fought against Franco" bit suggests that in the years prior to 1910 H. Herrera's father had been a political opponent of Franco and had to leave Spain in order to escape from the Franco dictatorship. The problem is that Franco was born in 1892 and was therefore only 18 when H. Herrera was born. How could H. Herrera's father have been an opponent of Franco when the latter was in his teens and presumably attending high school? As it happens Franco only became a political leader of note in the early 1930s (some twenty years after the Herrera family had emigrated to Argentina) and Spain's caudillo (ruler/leader) in 1939. I do not know all that much about the history of Spain in the 20th century, but a cursory glance at the timeline and the ages of the protagonists tell me that this article is misleading and needs to be amended. Chris J. Jones (talk) 06:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Argentinian Nationality?

I would make a comparison with another football personality to explain why this is illogical in this article.

Luis Fernandez, was in born in Spain, from Spanish parents. They left Spain when he was 9, then he grew up in France and spent his football player career in France. He got French nationality at 22, and he played for French national team. In his article, he's considered as a French.

Helenio Herrera, was born in Argentina, from Spanish parents. They left Argentina when he was 10, then he grew up in French environment of French colony of Morocco, then in France, and spent his football player career in France. He got French nationality at 24, and played for French national military team. In his article, he's considered as an Argentinian naturalized French. All sources are from the biography on the website www.helenioherrera.it

Isn't it illogical? Why is he more Argentinian than Fernandez Spanish? Wouldn't be more logical to consider Herrera as a French? It would have more consistency. Cayzel (talk) 17:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]