Talk:Helena (My Chemical Romance song)/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: NegativeMP1 (talk · contribs) 04:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: CatchMe (talk · contribs) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Happy new year! I'll start reviewing this in a few hours. CatchMe (talk · contribs) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Well-written

Overall

• Change "albums", "songs", "bands", to "album's", "song's", "band's" throughout the article.
• There's too many "song" in the article; consider removing or replacing with "it"/"track"/"single" as appropiate.

Lead

• I would change "sometimes titled" to "alternatively titled" or something like that.
• "a song by American rock band" - "a song by the American rock band" per WP:FALSETITLE.
• "during the final year of her life" - I think "during the last year of her life" works better.
• "While the song" - "Although the song" to avoid repetition ("while" is in the previous sentence).
• "the direction that Gerard Way took the song" - "the direction that Gerard took it in".
• The music video should be presented before how it was received by critics.
• "well received from critics" - "well received by critics".
• "certified" could link to Music recording certification.
• Put the acronyms of the organizations in brackets after mentioning them (RIAA, BPI, RMNZ).
• "though didn't win" - "although did not win" per WP:N'T.
• "is often considered to be" - add "by journalists"?
• "The song has been considered by some as one of My Chemical Romance's best songs, as well as one of the best emo and goth rock songs ever made." - "They also considered it as one of My Chemical Romance's best songs, as well as one of the best emo and goth rock songs in history."
• "typically being used as an ending song." - "typically used as the closing track"?

Background and release

• "being furious" - is there another word for "furious"?
• "Determined to honor her legacy, Gerard began writing "Helena" in her honor." - remove "in her honor", it's already said.
• I would save the sentence starting with "He stated that he wrote" to the Composition and lyrics section.

Composition and lyrics

• I think "It has also been considered" is there by error.
• "of just a muffled" - I would remove "just".
• "Sixteen seconds later" - "16 seconds later" per MOS:NUMNOTES (near another number spelled in figures).
• Link first mentions of Pitchfork, Kerrang!, and Variety.
• I haven't seen the lyrics in italics in other articles..
• "Kerrang! believed" and "Similarly, Variety wrote" - add the authors' name (Sam Law and Katie Reul, respectively).

Commercial performance

• "on Scottish Singles and Albums" - "on the Scottish Singles Chart".
• The same with the certification link and acronyms as said in Lead.

Critical reception and legacy

• "Upon its release, several reviews for Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge highlighted "Helena" as a standout song on the album." - "Upon its release, several reviewers highlighted "Helena" as a standout on Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge."
• Link first mentions of Billboard, Louder, Stereogum, Loudwire, Vulture, Rolling Stone, and NME.
• "Louder's Marianne Eloise and Margaret Farrell of Stereogum" - "Louder's Marianne Eloise and Stereogum's Margaret Farrell" or "Marianne Eloise of Louder and Margaret Farrell of Stereogum".
• "and it's music video" - "and its music video".

Music video

• I don't think the categories should be in quotation marks.

Track listing

• This shouldn't be here per Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Single track listings.

Accurate and verifiable

• I checked most of the sources and they verify the text attached to them.
• Earwig's Copyvio shows Violation unlikely with the highest at 21.3% Looks good!
• The author's name is missing on several references.

Broad

• For sure.

Neutral

• It seems so.

Stable

• Yes, no edit wars recently.

Images

• It is illustrated, and all files seem to be relevant and well-licensed.

Final comments

Most of the issues are for the Well-written criteria. I will put this  On hold until these are addressed. CatchMe (talk · contribs) 04:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for taking the time to review this article! I believe I have addressed all of the comments you've posted above, although I may have tweaked some bits of it to be what I felt reads the best. λ NegativeMP1 05:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1: Now it looks better to my understanding and almost ready for GA! I think the only thing not addressed is the track listing so I would like to know your thoughts. CatchMe (talk · contribs) 06:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I completely missed that bit. I was actually completely unaware that guideline existed, so I've cut it out now, although I added a sentence about the iTunes live recording to the release section since I think it's still relevant, though I can remove it if you disagree. Thank you again for reviewing! λ NegativeMP1 06:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Excelent work! I made a little fix and I will ✓ Pass this. CatchMe (talk · contribs) 07:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Spot-check

Adding missing spot-check (with numbers from the reviewed version).

• Ref 8 verifies that it was released as the third single, and the following ref 9 verifies it was sent to radio by Reprise and the date. Y
• Ref 12 verifies the start's description and that the author said then it was "almost like a jump scare". Y
• Though refs 17 and 18 describe the song as goth, they do not mention gothic rock, as noted by another user who changed it here. Sorry for not catching that before.
• Refs 21 and 42 verify that the song was named one of the best songs/a standout from the band's discography. Y
• Ref 22 verifies that it was written about the loss of their grandmother, it incorporated self-hate for not being "there", helped to the album's commercial success, was their second most successful song, "stood out" among 2000s rock, and that its video frequently played by MTV2 and Fuse. Y
• Ref 56 verifies that Kerrang! ranked it as the band's best music video and its opinion. Y

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