Talk:Heinrich Sturm/Archive 1

Archive 1

Luftwaffe of Nazi Germany

How is "a fighter pilot in the Luftwaffe of Nazi Germany during World War II" awful wording? (see diff: awful wording, self evident). K.e.coffman (talk) 19:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I've notified the editor here, to which there was no response. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:31, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

@Dapi89: What makes it a "childish description"? K.e.coffman (talk) 20:53, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Are you serious? Dapi89 (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Please help me understand your concern with this wording. How is this different from saying Royal Air Force of the United Kingdom"? K.e.coffman (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

As a reader, I would say its not optimal because it keeps tagging new qualifiers onto the end of the sentence. He is "a fighter pilot", and the sentence would be grammatically complete. But we add the qualifier "in the Luftwaffe". Again, the sentence is grammatically complete, but we add another qualifier (to "Luftwaffe") "of Nazi Germany". Again the sentence is complete. But no, we add another qualifier (and it's unclear if we modify "fighter pilot" or "Luftwaffe" or "Nazi Germany"). It's too much. Maybe we can simplify this? "Heinrich Sturm (12 June 192 – 22 December 1944) was a German fighter pilot during World War II. A flying ace, he achieved 158 victories for the Nazi Luftwaffe." ? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 01:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Dapi89 You simply cannot leave "childish description" and "need to learn to write properly" as edit summary comments. Please elaborate here with specific WP guideline support and requirement for reversion. Furthermore, in defense of your actions: "Are you serious" does nothing to further your case. At this point it is merely personal opinion and taste. Neither of which are admissible for reversion. Maineartists (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

It reads very poorly, why not just say "a WW2 German fighter pilot"?Slatersteven (talk) 14:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

It is self-evident and requires no elaboration. He was a fighter pilot, served in the Second War, and fought in the Luftwaffe. There was no organisation called the Nazi Luftwaffe.

I've written tons of these articles. Coffmann is causing trouble like this on hundreds of these articles. Dapi89 (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@Slatersteven:; couldn't agree more. Dapi89 (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

The discriminator "Luftwaffe during World War II" is required as the Luftwaffe (disguised as the Condor Legion) also fought in the Spanish Civil War. In this instance, it tells the reader that Sturm claimed all his victories in World War II. Regarding the suffix "of Nazi Germany", it is a tad tautological, as the term Luftwaffe, in the English language, predominantly tends to be used in context of German Air Force of Nazi Germany. In essence, no need for a change. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:49, 14 March 2017 (UTC)