Talk:Heather Corinna

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Should probably be tied to and conform to the Biography Project's guidelines

If I get to it, I'll convert it soon, or someone else could. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography for more info. The conversion would include using the standard {{WikiProject Biography}} template, references formatted correctly and inline references, etc. Also, there should probably be appropriate templates in the Discussion page. --MalcolmGin 19:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion to Biography template complete. Next pass should be to ID and provide citations where possible. --MalcolmGin 02:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other details?

This is mainly going to apply to who this article was created by and their actual personal knowledge of Heather.(and whether this is approved by her or not).

Is it going to be mentioned that "Heather Corinna" is the name she is writing under? (I'm not saying an alias as it is partially correct but not her complete name)

Also if she is not involved in this page, has anyone thought about contacting her directly to ask for input? (you can't get better then from the source)

--Blood Wraith 03:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know her personally, but primary sources are not really what Wikipedia is all about. I have no idea who originally wrote the article here (beyond looking at the history), but ideally the article's assertions should be substantiated with citations from secondary sources.

Since no one's written a history of contemporary sex professionals in the late 20th/early 21st centuries yet that I know about, the secondary sources should probably be bio information published by websites and other sources that are not under Heather's direct control. For this kind of thing I'm thinking probably bios that are published alongside articles she's written or reviews of her work (by third parties). The larger news sources are generally preferred on Wikipedia but not mandatory. Yes, I know that in publishing, bios are often taken as written by the author without fact checking, but those are the rules here.

If someone can dig up a valid citation source that talks about her actual name instead of her pseudonym/professional name, by all means publish it here. If it's based only on hearsay, it shouldn't stay on Wikipedia, though usually first versions of articles, especially bios, do contain a lot of hearsay.

I mean to go through the article and try to provide some secondary source citations as well as mark where assertions don't seem to be supported by citations that are considered proper by Wikipedia standards. There are templates for that sort of thing, which can at least act as sort of disclaimers until the assertions can be substantiated or redacted (depending on the availability of extant citations). --MalcolmGin 12:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the original article, much of which is sourced from websites which are under Heather Corinna's direct control. I asked her to read it and made a few modifications based on her suggestions.

I don't know everything about wikipolicy, there seems to be an awful lot to read and a lot of digging required to find all of the rules, but it seems reasonable to me that persons who've gone to quite a bit of trouble to keep their given name off the internet and who might reasonably expect a lot of harassment from the publishing of their given name should still qualify to have articles entered about them when they've done very notworthy things. AMProSoft 15:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not in any way trying to imply that Heather doesn't deserve an article. What I'm saying is that by Wikipedia policy, unless assertions about living persons are not cited properly (and unfortunately, this means using secondary sources [i.e. newspaper-published or publisher-published information], not primary or self-published sources if at all possible, and only with very special exceptions), Wikipedia will eventually get around to deleting those assertions.

Unfortunately, this kind of policy is required by Wikipedia to try to avoid liability entanglements from libel suits and other related issues (NPOV - Neutral Point of View is also a biggie here).

So if you can find secondary sources, please do so. If you need help with the footnoting system or other style, I can try to help or I can refer you to various experts who know more about the Wikipedia Biography project and related policies. --MalcolmGin 15:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cite 'em if you got 'em

Just FYI, this is official Wikipedia Policy about providing citations of living persons. From that article, which should be useful vis a vis whether citations are required:

We must get the article right.[1] Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles[2], talk pages, user pages, and project space.

Again, I'm not saying Heather doesn't deserve a page, I'm just saying that if you don't want it to eventually get deleted, you all need to provide citations and sources. --MalcolmGin 00:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Even if the citation is not a proper citation (i.e. it's Primary Source - from Heather's own sites, etc.), it may well be enough to keep the article around. If you keep the text as is, without citations at all, you'll probably eventually find the whole thing deleted down to a stub again. --MalcolmGin 00:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations which may be "verifiable" and might help flesh out the article

City Pages - Women and Children First, 1999
MSNBC - Sex ed on the Web, 2005
WYSIWYG Talent Show Writeup - Hot stuff!, 2006 (May not be considered "verifiable", but may help with notability)
Utne Reader Web Watch, 2003
City Paper - The Naughty Professor, 2003 (article is actually about Hanne Blank but mentions Heather
CNN - You must be 18 to enter (about age verification, but mentions Heather)
Montreal Mirror's sex columnist mentions Heather's site, 2004

Hopefully if the article does get deleted for lack of notability, these links will help, or if anyone wants to integrate these links into the article text (I may also get to it), that'll also help with the articles's flaws overall.

I'd also look for any press coverage/reviews of her book, S.E.X., which is apparently now on Amazon shelves! Yay! --MalcolmGin Talk / Conts 20:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did heather graduate from Shimer?

The article is unclear about weather Heather actually took a degree from Shimer College. I was wondering if she actually managed to get a degree because she is listed as an alum on the Shimer page, and it should be noted that she only studied there if she did not. In my experience, Shimer College has a very bad habit of allowing many of their most talented students to slip away. It should be very clear on their page weather the notable people they have listed were graduates or not... Alfred Lord Tenniscourt (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability Tag

This article has had sourcing problems for many years with no improvement, i.e. all sources are still web ephemera with not a single WP:RS. She has a published book with around 400 holdings, but it is a mass market book on sex-ed, so this number is not terribly impressive. A quick search turns up only twitter, flickr, Huffpost blog, and other web ephemera. There is a real question of notability here. Please do not remove tag until other WP:RS showing notability can be found. Agricola44 (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC).[reply]