Talk:Heartbeat (2016 TV series)

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Requested move 26 March 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) — Music1201 ^talk 04:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Heartbeat (2016 TV series) → Heartbeat (U.S. TV series) – This page was moved to Heartbeat (2016 TV series) because of a possible confusion with the 1988 HeartBeat (U.S. TV series). However, the Wikipedia policy on article titles, section WP:DIFFCAPS, states that small differences like punctuation or capitalization are enough disambiguation if hatnotes are present (which they are), so the year is not needed. In this case, the country is needed, because of the 1992 Heartbeat (UK TV series).

The current naming situation is inconsistent across the three series, the suggested move makes it consistent.

If one does not follow the policy, another consistent disambiguation for all three series has to be found, also because the 1988 HeartBeat (U.S. TV series) would be ambiguous with this 2016 show for the same reason. For instance by the year, HeartBeat (1988 TV series), Heartbeat (1992 TV series), Heartbeat (2016 TV series). The country would not be necessary for disambiguation then.

In both cases, care needs to be taken for the existing redirects, Heartbeat (US TV series), Heartbeat (U.S. TV series), which in the second case (ignoring WP:DIFFCAPS) must go to disambiguation Heartbeat. Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see an issue with this. According to WP:MOSTV, (YEAR TV series) is perfectly fine for providing clarity and regardless of how the title of the 1988 series was stylized, the name is still the same as the current series and while hatnotes might be acceptable, WP:DIFFCAPS also provides the possibility of renaming a page if it can comply with WP:CRITERIA, specifically in this case, Precision.

Is there a policy that mandates consistency? While I would agree that it's best to be consistent, it's not going to work in this case with three different programs of three different years in two different countries as a lot of people are not going to notice the difference in the titles of the 1988 and 2016 programs.

HeartBeat (U.S. TV series)

Heartbeat (UK TV series)

Heartbeat (U.S. TV series)

Ryan8374 (talk) 06:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, i.e. use a consistent disambiguation format for topics that can be confused. Remember to add hatnotes. SST flyer 16:08, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per WP:PRECISION. I don't think that most readers, even fans of both shows, would necessarily remember that one of them has a capital letter in it and the other doesn't. It is even worse for fans of only one show, as they might not know the other one exists and are therefore unlikely even to notice the capital letter formatting. use some WP:COMMONSENSE and don't just blindly follow the rules. I'm not saying that there is not a move to be made here, but the proposed one is not it. Insert CleverPhrase Here 00:15, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose original suggestion, but support using the years to disambiguate, as this would be much easier for readers to make sense of at a glance. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 22:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Using years to disambiguate TV shows seems like a bad idea to me, after all TV shows can run for many years and people don't always associate a TV show with the year of the first season. This is a lot different than movies or video games for example, where the year of release is a lot more memorable and significant. Does the policy support using year to dab TV shows? Because it seems silly to me. Insert CleverPhrase Here 11:27, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like it would be enough to distinguish them to me. The 1988 show was only on for a year, mostly in 1988. No one is going to get the current show mixed up with the older ones. And based on this search, using the initial year is at least somewhat common. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 12:41, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MOSTV does support the use of the year being used. Examples off the top of my head...

The Flash (2014 TV series) & The Flash (1990 TV series)

V (1983 miniseries) & V (1984 TV series) & V (2009 TV series)

-Ryan8374 (talk) 16:00, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose original proposal, but support disambiguating both based on years: so move HeartBeat (U.S. TV series) → HeartBeat (1988 TV series) (with a redirect at Heartbeat (1988 TV series)). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Location of St. Matthews

I had originally thought that St. Matthews was in San Francisco, from a few things mentioned on the show, but in last week's episode something else was mentioned that made it seem like the location is in Los Angeles. I was just wondering if anyone had a concrete source to that effect? Jdavi333 (talk) 18:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]