Talk:He Liked to Feel It/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

My fourth review for the GAN backlog of this month! --K. Peake 07:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Remove venue parameter from the infobox since that is for live recordings only
Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox song
Use p5dpITOLFH4 instead in the music video template, as the current URL is not an official upload
"Crash Test Dummies that appears as the second track" → "Crash Test Dummies, released as the second track"
Remove wikilink on studio album
"It was written by" → "The song was written by" but the writing credits need to be directly written in prose in the body because this is a rule for everything quoted in the lead
"produced by Roberts, bassist Dan Roberts," → "produced by Brad alongside his brother and bassist Dan Roberts," per MOS:SURNAME
The next sentence should be the one about the song's single release
"originate from Brad's" → "originated from Brad Roberts'"
Mention about the story of the lyrics in the above sentence, as you are only referencing the origins currently
You should add a sentence about the accompanying music video's release date and the synopsis before its controversy, plus move the video info to the end of the second para
"The song and subsequent video generated controversy" → "The video generated controversy" because only that part is sourced and maybe reword this if it is too repetitive with the synopsis part when you add that here
"it as the first single from A Worm's Life" → "it as the lead single from the album" with the wikilink
"It is the band's highest-peaking" → "The song is Crash Test Dummies' highest-peaking"
It is only notable that the position was in 1996, so remove the month
"The single failed to chart" → ""He Liked to Feel It" failed to chart"
Target Billboard Adult Alternative Songs to Adult Alternative Airplay

I've tended to everything here; however, I can't find a release date for the video. I don't see one on the Billboard ref, and considering this song isn't well-known, I doubt I'll find one. Any recommendations? ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 12:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ResolutionsPerMinute You do not need the release date if there is not one known; it is fine to only have director and producer info. --K. Peake 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then I guess I'm

Done here. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 14:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background and lyrics

Retitle to Background and composition since there is notable info missing that can be added
"of the third verse of" → "of the ending of" on the audio sample text, as no verse numbers are sourced
Start the section by adding the writing and production credits, which can be followed by the recording sentence
"intended as dark humour," → "intended as dark humor," with the target (the article is in American English)
Remove the introduction to Brad Roberts as the lead singer because that has already been done in the lead
A second para should be started by adding the info about instrumentation credited in the liner notes, plus include "He began to..." and the other sentence in this para
"He began to write" → "Roberts began to write"
Target baby teeth to Deciduous teeth
"of the band's third studio album, A Worm's Life," → "of A Worm's Life,"
Move the release info to being at the start of the following section, mentioning the date it was released and using the third studio album introduction there

Concerns:

Crash Test Dummies are Canadian, so shouldn't we be using Canadian English?
Regarding the instrumentation, the liner notes of A Worm's Life don't say which tracks the band members contributed to, and I don't think harmonica, melodica, or theremin are played on this track, so what do I do about Benjamin Darvill?
I'm a bit confused about your last bullet regarding release info. You say to move it to the start of the following section...but I don't see any release info in this section. Could you please clarify? ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 13:18, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ResolutionsPerMinute Sorry, I forgot that Canada do not use American English since neither are my native tongue. As for the instrumentation, I was confused and thought they played those instruments because of the personnel listing; if none are correct, then don't add here. The release info I am referring to is the part about the song being included as the second track on the album. --K. Peake 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. Okay. I get it. I hope the result doesn't look too clumsy. Otherwise,

Done. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 14:18, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance

Retitle to Release and promotion due to not only release info being moved but the single release already being here and the merging that can be done with this and the following section; commercial info can be in a release para on some occasions
"released as a radio single" → "released as the album's lead single" with the wikilink
4 only says the triple-A radio release was on September 9 so reword accordingly, but the Modern Rock and Rock stations release on September 23 should also be mentioned
"It continued to rise up the chart over" → "The song continued to rise up the chart during" because the weeks are not fully sourced
"on November 25." → "on November 25, 1996."
Per WP:CHARTS, remove the descending of the song but you can keep the number of weeks it logged on the chart
"it is their highest-peaking single" → "the song is Crash Test Dummies' highest-peaking single"
Remove the discography in brackets since Wiki articles are not allowed to be used as sources and either add a citation for their RPM chart history after the comma or remove this info
"was the country's 23rd-most-successful single of" → "was the 23rd most-successful single on the RPM 100 Hit Tracks chart in"
"It also appeared on" → ""He Liked to Feel It" also appeared on"
"rankings, achieving peaks of number seven and number 21," → "weekly rankings, achieving peaks of numbers seven and 21," to avoid confusion
"In the United States," → "In the US,"
Remove the part about not appearing on any other charts since the source does not directly state this
Target Adult Alternative Songs to Adult Alternative Airplay
"where it climbed to number 18" → "where it peaked at number 18"

Someone once said this wasn't the wisest idea, but the only way I can cite CTD's discography is to search for the band's name on LAC, and I'll also have to add citations for the Canadian Singles Chart and Canadian Hot 100 to ensure all official charts are covered. It'll be one hell of a search, but I can't think of any other way. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 13:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ResolutionsPerMinute This is simply over usage of citations, so either reword to mention it being their highest peak on that chart or just remove this part altogether. --K. Peake 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that makes more sense. I really can't stand the CSC anyhow. Well,

Done. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 14:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music video

Make this the second para of the above section because it is the only promo the song received
Mention the executive production from Eric Barrett
"tying a tooth to a" → "tying one to a"
You should mention that the boy lies down as the man pulls it out and this is after he fell from the crane hook per 1
"to obtain the effects" → "to obtain the tooth effects" to be specific
"the video was banned from" → "the music video was banned from"

Done ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 13:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Track listings

All tracks are written by Brad Roberts. → All tracks were written by Brad Roberts.

{{track listing}} uses the present tense, which bothers me to no end, so I'm happy to make this change. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 13:40, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personnel

Retitle to Credits and personnel and list the recording studio per the liner notes; see "Welcome to Heartbreak" as an example
Use {{spaced en dash}} instead so there is the right space between credits and personnel
Wikilink Brad Roberts
Are you sure the writer and producer credits for the members shouldn't be listed under Crash Test Dummies to avoid repeating their names, plus the writing and production area has enough others credited there for them to be removed?
Separate Dan Roberts and Michel Dorge; same goes for Peter Robertson and Maria Miccio; retitle this sub-heading to Recording if the writing and production info is moved though

I usually separate the band members and writing/production if there is a long Personnel section, because if there's a huge blank space on the right side of the page, I get a little itchy. Something like this is okay, though. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 13:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it should be I guess; only a few lines difference. --K. Peake 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

Good

Release history

Create a table for this section, using the radio and CD releases

Okay...I may or may not have screwed the table up 😅. I've created several tables before this, but none this complex. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 14:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

Copyvio score is no worry at 1.0%!!!
Make sure all of these, that can be, are archived by using the tool
WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on ref 4
WP:OVERLINK of RPM and Library and Archives Canada on refs 6, 8, 9 and 18
WP:OVERLINK of RPM on ref 13
WP:OVERLINK of Brett Attwood and Billboard on ref 14
WP:OVERLINK of Crash Test Dummies and Arista Records on refs 15, 16 and 17

Could you re-number the refs, please? I changed some things around.

Oh, and I don't know how to archive via tools. I'm not a very technical user. I don't even use Twinkle. What should I do? ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 13:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ResolutionsPerMinute Here is the previous revision, also you archive using fix dead links. --K. Peake 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that was easier than I thought. I guess I just prefer doing things the hard way. Anyway, everything's delinked and archived.

Done ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 14:34, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Good

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but this should not take too long since it's a short article and in decent shape! --K. Peake 09:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: Okay I think I've taken care of everything. Any final notes about the changes made? I'm particular interested in the Release history table since, as I said before, I haven't made one this complex before. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 14:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ResolutionsPerMinute: You still need to remove wikilink on studio album, change the writing sentence to beginning with the song, switch the writing/production with recording in the opening section, remove the introduction to Brad Roberts in the body, switch the order of the instrumentation to being before the lyrical meaning in the second para, mention the date it was included on the album. Regarding the release table, it is a neat addition but you need to change Format → Format(s) and separate different ones like in the same manner used for "Fade", as well as add a row like that one for the refs. Otherwise, nice job here! --K. Peake 16:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. The one thing I had trouble with was change the writing sentence to beginning with the song. I didn't know what you meant by that. Did I happen to remedy it or is it still present? ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 17:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ResolutionsPerMinute: This is about the second sentence of the lead that currently begins with "It was written..." --K. Peake 18:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: Done and done. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 19:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ResolutionsPerMinute ✓ Pass now, but I briefly tweaked the lyrical meaning in the lead! --K. Peake 19:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Thanks! ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 19:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]