Talk:Hazel Chu

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Lord Mayor of Dublin On 29 June 2020, Chu was elected the 352nd Lord Mayor of Dublin, succeeding interim mayor Tom Brabazon.[12] Chu is the ninth woman, and first person of Chinese descent, to hold the role.[13] This a such a banal description. Is there nothing more relevant that can be mentioned than her ancestry?

Harassment Subsequent to her election to the council and the media attention around it, Chu became a target of racist online harassment, particularly on Twitter. Her harassers labelled her a migrant, denied that she was an Irish national, and claimed she was a product of the so-called "great replacement", a conspiracy theory propagated by the alt-right. The harassment later escalated to phone calls to her home. Justin Barrett, leader of the far-right fringe group the National Party, publicly indicated that if he ever got into power, he would attempt to strip Chu of her citizenship, despite her Irish birth.[14] Chu stated her resolution to not be intimidated by the harassment and to continue with her political career.[3][5][15][16]

In January 2021 Chu described having been racially abused by a group of far-right protestors who had gathered outside her home.[17]

This kind of stuff isnt meant to be a biographies as it is a recentism. Aerchasúr (Aerchasúr (talk) 10:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)talk) 09:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Aerchasúr, and I think a recent welcome to Wikipedia. Can you clarify your questions? (By the way, I've labelled this section, as others will raise other matters over time, and each conversation should have a header; as you initiated it, please feel free to amend the title)

There seems nothing banal about being the first ethnic Chinese / Irish-Chinese person to hold a major role, that seems quite notable. And the harassment, lifelong and recent, seems very germane too, or do I miss something? These matters are well-covered in the media, and I can recall nothing which would exclude them from any biographical account. SeoR (talk) 10:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

She isnt Chinese. She is Irish and peoeple of Chinese ancestory have been in office before. It is only relevant if there was a history of Chinese people being excluded from office here. The comments about harrassment are recentisms and they are not normally accepted on biographies. Aerchasúr (talk) 10:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Chu is Irish, of 100% ethnic Chinese descent, and these are both relevant, and being the first person of such background has been deemed notable by a wide range of news sources and commentators. The harassment is not just recent, albeit election seems to have brought out a nastier streak, and is clearly worth some mention. SeoR (talk) 12:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

The source for her firsts, RTE, actually reads "Green Party councillor Michael Pidgeon - who proposed her for election - said Hazel Chu was only the ninth woman and first person of colour to become Lord Mayor." Another editor altered it from "Person of Colour" to "Chinese Descent". So the significance is not just that she's the first person from a Chinese background to be Mayor, but the first "person of colour" to hold the office. So maybe that should be the text in the article, although I think the issue is some people object to the term "person of colour", on the basis it's "an American term" rather than a term used in Ireland. However, in this interview, Chu refers to herself by the term "Person of Colour". If she's happy to self identify by the term, then that might be the term to use. As for the harassment, I don't think it's usual. For example, Martin Kenny's article also notes an incidence of harassment.CeltBrowne (talk) 18:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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Chinese translation

Someone has helpfully added a Chinese translation of the birth name. I assume good faith, but Google Translate played it back to English as "Zhu Song-Fei" or Zhu Song-Wei", which appear very different from the presented (expanded) Anglicised form, so if someone could double-check, please? It does seem to match the cross-linked article. There is the Cantonese vs Mandarin aspect, but does that affect names... SeoR (talk) 07:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

This is not needed. Leo Varadkar does not have a Hindi language version of his name on this article. These names only apply to naturalised citizens not Irish born people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spleodrach (talk • contribs) 16:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

And that is also a point, as is the OR issue. So unless this is properly quoted and supported, we just omit for now. SeoR (talk) 17:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Zhu Songfei is the Mandarin pronunciation of Chu Chung-fai, her Chinese name (simplified Chinese: 朱颂霏; traditional Chinese: 朱頌霏), as this BBC News Chinese Service video shows. (This is a Chinese subbed version of this video sourced in the article) -- #WikialtyForAll (No habla Twinkle) 09:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)