Talk:The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

ONAs

Is it a good idea to include a reference to the 2 new original net animations "Suzumiya Haruhi-chan no Yuuutsu" and "Nyoro-n Churuya-san" in this article? Apparently, both are by Kyoto Animation, and started to be published in Feb 2009. David Bailey (talk) 11:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. This article is only about the first season of the 14-episode TV anime at the moment. You can add additional info into Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise)#Anime where there's already a note about the ONAs.--十八 01:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Given that the move has been reversed (see below) and the decision not to re-name was made, I think we need to have a serious discussion on why the ONAs are not included in this article, and whether they should be. David Bailey (talk) 09:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Length of anime episodes

How long are they? It should be stated in the article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The same length as 99.99999% of all TV anime, roughly 24 minutes (counting OP/ED), but it's not convention to list this, hence we don't. If you mean the ONAs, they're about 5 minutes in length I think.--十八 22:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

What ONAs? The article (and its parent article) are confusing: are there two anime series? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The ONAs based off of the Haruhi series (Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise)#Anime), but it seems you didn't mean them. This article is about a single TV anime series, which has information about another season to be produced.--十八 00:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

So which part of the article discusses the Original net animation, which I presume is what you mean by ONA? I was actually looking for information on those shorts, and the since ONA is an anime, logic dictated it would be discussed in this subarticle... if it is discussed elsewhere, the disambig both here and at Haruhi Suzumiya (disambiguation) should be adjusted accordingly. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The ONAs are not discussed in this article because this is for the very-specific television anime series The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, hence the article title. That is why the information can be found in the franchise article.--十八 07:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me explain this more clearly. ONA is classified, technically, as anime. People looking for information on it and not knowing about it are likely to be looking for something like "Haruhi Suzumiya (anime)", ending up here. Hence, this article should have at the very least a disambig note telling editors its about the regular tv series, and ONA shorts are described somewhere else (I still cannot figure out where...?).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that the ONA should be listed on this page, rather than the franchise page. It is definitely anime and therefore within the scope of this article. David Bailey (talk) 21:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

This article is not Haruhi Suzumiya (anime), it is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) meaning the scope is only that of the first anime series.--十八 23:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

But Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) redirects here and the article does not even inform about the existence of the second series! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

The fact that Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) redirects here is because that's what this article was originally called, but it was moved after a discussion. In the end, it's only a baseless redirect which doesn't link to anywhere important, so no one looking for the anime will find it, and I doubt someone would type it into the search, even if that's still a possibility. And I don't know how you could have possibly missed this clearly marked section, but the information about the second series is right here.--十八 13:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Because the new season gives no indication that it is about ONAs. I am looking for information about HS ONAs and I cannot find them anywhere in the HS series of articles. That's what is confusing.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this article should be moved back to Haruhi Suzumiya (anime). That way, all of the anime in the franchise is listed on one page, which would be less confusing for users. David Bailey (talk) 17:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

But... this article doesn't say anything about the ONAs, right? I think that it may make sense to make the Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) into a disambig, pointing to article about the main TV series (with two seasons?) and to the article (section?) on ONA.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Several people have tried to add the material to this page, only to have their efforts immediately reverted. This is why I proposed the move/rename... so we can put the ONA information into this article, and have it cover all animation linked to the franchise (see below). David Bailey (talk) 09:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Why not turn the redirect into a disambig, and have another article for ONA? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was do not move (or rather, reverse this move, which someone has already made) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) → Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) — There are now three differently titled anime series in the Haruhi Suzumiya franchise, so I'm proposing a move back to the old title, so that all three can be listed in one all encompassing article. — David Bailey (talk) 20:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support. David's suggestion is better then the existing mess. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose and have asked the admin to reverse it. The series is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, not Haruhi Suzumiya. Per the WP:MOS-AM and Wikipedia naming conventions, we name it for the first English work. This does NOT prevent nor preclude the sequel, et al from being discussed here, nor any other related/sequel series. There also was NOT sufficent discussion before the move was carried out, and with only two people participating, one the suggester, a notice should have also been left at the anime/manga project (which has now been done) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. The name of the anime is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, which is the correct title of the article. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
• Strong oppose as per Collectonian/Sephiroth. I see no proper discussion prior to the move at all, it's been done simply off the basis of a single request, with no real reason given other then personal preference of one individual Dandy Sephy (talk) 02:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
• Comment Hi. I'm the admin who just moved the page, based on the discussion I had seen here so far. As I replied on my talk page, I'm happy enough to move it back, but I would first like to be certain that I won't have to move it again. I see that there is already significant opposition to the move, but I'd like to see a reply from those supporting the move, if that's at all convenient. I expect to be online or nearby for the weekend, perhaps we'll give it a day? -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose for the same reasons given by others. The title should be The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
• Comment I agree that the move was done much too quickly. I'd have ideally liked a clear 5 point lead before implementation. This move was always going to be a contentious one, which was why I requested a discussion in the first place. The original name, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime), for this article was restrictive and was preventing editors from adding details of the similarly named spin-offs... others were reverting changes immediately without any discussion, because they felt this article should ONLY talk about the first series. I still believe that this article should discuss all anime related to the Haruhi Suzumiya franchise, as the ONAs warrant wider coverage than can be included in the Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise) article (there are currently 14 episodes of Suzumiya Haruhi-chan no Yuuutsu, and this series looks set to continue it's run). David Bailey (talk) 08:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Rather than proposing a move, why not start a specific discussion on what you feel is not being allowed. I'm confused as to what isn't being included, as I see the main series and the sequel in the article? I'm also trying to figure out why this was even split from the main franchise article anyway? Seems to all be the same series, so, again per the MoS, why is it not all under one article (the franchise) and simply named The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya without all the disambigs? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree, we have a similar problem with Neon Genesis Evangelion redirecting to Neon Genesis Evangelion franchise, and a (incorrectly worded) disambig to Neon Genesis Evangelion (anime). But I'm blaming the related task force for that one. Dandy Sephy (talk) 11:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

• Support move to The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. English language readers who are searching for this subject are highly likely looking for the anime series. Thus it is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the series of articles. Also, I know of no precedent to name a television series or film article by any other name then the full title of the television series or film. The title of this television series is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Haruhi Suzumiya is an incorrect title. --Farix (Talk) 17:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

The three anime series are The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (original), a spin-off series The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya-chan, and a second spin-off Nyoro~n Churuya-san. It is widely believed that there will also be a second series of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya this year. David Bailey (talk) 20:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

And where are they discussed on Wikipedia? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Currently, all they get is four lines in Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise)... no episode list, no synopsis. David Bailey (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

This is obviously a MoS mess. Who on earth will look at the franchise section when looking for info on anime, if we have a dedicated anime article? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

That's why I'm proposing a single Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) article, to cover all the anime in the franchise. David Bailey (talk) 22:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

That should be then Haruhi Suzumiya (anime series). The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) should still exist to cover the first anime.じんない 17:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merges of splits

Okay, now that the article is (mostly) at its correct name, I think it would be good to discussion merging Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise) and Haruhi Suzumiya (light novels). Per WP:MOS-AM, a series should not be split on media lines like this unless there are significant differences between them and each is highly notable in its own right. I'm just not seeing these differences at all. Same characters, same basic plot, etc. Therefore I propose both of these articles be merged back here, with this article properly renamed to just The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and tweaked to be focused on the source novels first, other adaptations section. (alternatively this and the light novel could be merged back to the franchise page and the franchise page moved to The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Thoughts? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I concur, however having not read the light novels, if there is convincing evidence the story differs hugely I will reconsider. By convincing I mean reviews by reliable sources, and not fan sites. As the page here has been renamed again, I would go with merging the others to here. It just needs to be done by someone with the correct experience, such as yourself. Dandy Sephy (talk) 13:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I too agree. It will solve a lot (if not all) of the issues (such as how the ONAs fit in, etc.) that have been discussed on this page and elsewhere on Wikipedia. David Bailey (talk) 15:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It's also a fairly painless merge too, the Franchise page can be largely copy-pasted then tweaked at first glance. Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed it should be fairly painless. I may go ahead throw together a sandbox version in an hour while eating lunch, so people can see what it would be like (in case it becomes a question). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, obviously this would still need clean up, sourcing, etc, but here is a basic version of what the merged article would be like User:Collectonian/WIP2. Note, I did not add an ONA section as there wasn't one in either of the three novels and I'm not familiar enough to feel comfortable trying to piece it together from what is there. However, hopefully its clear that it would be appropriate content in this new articles for someone more familiar to add. :) Other than that, I expanded the plot section itself while removing the rather excessively detailed stuff in the "series concept" section of the franchise article, expanded/redid the lead some, and tried to get all of the infoboxes in there. I may have missed some refs in transferring, or other valid content, but I think this is a good starting point. Thoughts? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Nicely done Collectonian! The amount of duplication in the three articles can clearly be seen, and this new version takes the best from each and works them together coherently. I think the omission of some of the 'Series concepts' is a good idea, as the organization details could go into the character bio articles instead (SOS Brigade would go into Haruhi Suzumiya, Integrated Data Entity into Yuki Nagato, etc.). David Bailey (talk) 18:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Um, what would the final main mergeto article be then? The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya? Just making sure I'm clear on this. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the target would be this page as it is the proper English name for the series. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. Support, though the (franchise) article I'm assuming would end up partially merged, given how much duplication of content there already is. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Ideally, both will be merged here (franchise and light novel). See the example above to see what it would likely be. The franchise would mostly form the format here and add the most content. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 22:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It would make no sense to merge everything into what Collectonian proposed since only the first season anime and the first light novel (and the manga adaptations) actually have the name The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. The other novels all share the common title "The _______ of Haruhi Suzumiya" hence why they're known as the "Haruhi Suzumiya" series. Similarly, the OVAs and the video games do not share the Melancholy name, hence why a franchise page was set up. The fact remains that while the anime is probably the best known aspect of this series in the English speaking world, it's not the primary work, so doing all this for an adaptation seems to go against what WP:ANIME has streamlined for the past few years.--十八 02:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

So are you objecting to the merger, or just to the name? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm saying that merging content from this series not under the Melancholy name into an article with the title The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is misleading, and would be outside the scope of the article. As it stands, a very few parts of this overall franchise actually share the Melancholy name, so there'd be no reason to merge everything into a single article, hence why Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise) exists.--十八 02:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me that the merge is completely in-line with what the project has been doing. If you disagree that its best known English name is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, then the name can be discussed. Hachette hasn't said what it will call the remaining novels, so its English name is still debatable. However, I do not see how the merger proposal as a whole goes against the project's goal nor against the MoS. What name is used is irrelevant, in the end because yes, there IS reason to merge everything into a single article: it is the SAME series. Just because not everything has Melancholy in the name is no reason to not merge, it just may be an argument against the name of the merged page. Though please point to any English releases that do not have the name? The anime, manga, etc all appear to have been released as The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Haruhi Suzumiya can easily be moved to Haruhi Suzumiya (character) and the merged page named Haruhi Suzumiya. Again, what are you actual reasons against a merge, aside from the name. It is all still the same series focusing on Haruhi Suzumiya. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

If my objections are about the name, that should be enough. You wouldn't merge any of the video games here since they don't share the Melancholy name. I mean, the whole point of merging is to lessen redundancy and make it easier to find information. No one in their right mind trying to find The Promise of Haruhi Suzumiya or any of the other four video games are going to look in the article titled The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya; it simply makes no sense. The fact is, the series has no real, established name since the only things all of the products share is the common name "Haruhi Suzumiya" (though the Nyoron spin-off manga and ONA series doesn't, but that's beside the point). Yes, the first-season anime, manga series, and first light novel are all named The Melancholy in English, but it's not like the other light novels will share that title, nor will the video games if they get released in English. Don't just try to lump everything into Melancholy when only a few parts of the franchise actually carry that title, and all of them (exempting the original novel) are adaptations to boot. I'd be fine if you actually did merge all the Melancholy stuff into a single article, but the other stuff has to be left out in the franchise article.--十八 03:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

No, your objections to the name are not enough alone to prevent merging of appropriate material. Also, as noted, all English versions are currently named The Melancholy so per the guidelines, that IS the appropriate name of the article at this point. If the remaining English novels don't have that name, then the name can be rediscussed. In either case, no, what the article name is alone is NOT enough reason to not merge the materials when they ARE all the same "franchise". The Melancholy stuff is all part of the franchise and not some separate entity.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how you could possibly think the other novels will share the Melancholy name. You're right that at the moment all English aspects share the Melancholy name, but throwing commonsense out the window is not well advised. In other words, doing it right the first time will mean we won't have to restructure anything in the future.

If you were going to merge everything into a single article, the only title you could use is Haruhi Suzumiya as that's the only title that all aspects (minus the Nyoron spin-off as I said) share, but wasn't there just a big disagreement about the title of the anime article as Haruhi Suzumiya (anime)? So in that case, if you wanted to merge all of the media into one, call it Haruhi Suzumiya or just merge it all into Haruhi Suzumiya (franchise) and reformat it, but of course in that case we wouldn't have a separate article for the anime, which is (as I said) the most popular aspect of the series in English and the best known of all the media, so not having a separate anime article (especially with all the reception info) would be kind of counter intuitive when the anime can obviously stand alone as it's own article but then you'd have to call it The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime) which (uncoincidentally) was what it was called before all this stuff started, since we had a discussion about this way back when the Haruhi Suzumiya taskforce was just created.

In other words, I'm not against a merge. What I was against was naming it The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and lumping all the adaptations of the novels in there as you yourself proposed. The first line alone of that proposal, "...released in Japan as Haruhi Suzumiya (涼宮ハルヒ, Suzumiya Haruhi)", is not an accurate statement since the novels themselves share no common title aside from "Haruhi Suzumiya". The second line, "The first novel, from which the series gets its English name," is also inaccurate since even if the first novel is called that, assuming that the others also will is throwing commonsense out the window, and it wouldn't make sense to make this distinction now if we can avoid unnecessary problems in the future when those other novels actually do come out.

Also, it would seem that you're assuming the novel series is called The Melancholy when actually only the first novel has that title. Further, at the English website for the first novel, the way the title is displayed on the book (with Haruhi Suzumiya written much larger) shows that they're following the same convention Kadokawa did with the original novels, giving the series the unofficial overall title of "Haruhi Suzumiya".--十八 04:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

So then just say "merge is fine, but correct the example (which was already noted to not be perfect) and name it differently. As for "throwing common sense out the window" that really isn't necessary. It wouldn't be the first time a company chose to rename a series. It is just as presumptive to presume they will use the original titles than it is to presume they won't. No way to really know. As it is right now, however, the English name of the series is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya in all forms, including the upcoming first novel. Indeed, Hachett's official website refers to it by that name, not just Haruhi Suzumiya[1]. Also, there seem to be two different covers floating around, one that appears like the Japanese, and the other being the red one seen on the aforementioned site. Or maybe its two different books (rather confusing).[2][3] In the news reports of the licensing of the light novels, same thing. This all supports giving the article the name of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and not just Haruhi Suzumiya. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait, why would they rename the overall series as The Melancholy? Just to make it more recognizable in English? As in not having The Melancholy and then The Sigh, but having The Melancholy (vol. 1), followed by The Melancholy (vol. 2)? Well, that's easily refutable as neither of the book covers you provided have a volume number, nor does the website itself specify that this is the first volume, meaning it's more likely they're going to keep the original titles and not name it all The Melancholy. And there are two different covers because one is to target the niche anime/manga community that knows of the series, and the other (the nearly all-red one) is for the mainstream American market, as the publishers are attempting to make "Haruhi Suzumiya" a household name, and not just a niche series. Though, when you consider that they're targeting the mainstream release towards young girls (which is laughably ironic considering just the things Haruhi does to Mikuru), I doubt it will ever be anything other than a niche series.--十八 04:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

They wouldn't be the first to do it...and they may do some blend of the names. The point is, no one knows, but as of now, all information on English releases is purely calling the series The Melancholy of. Though now that I think about it, I can't recall actually seeing anything in the announcements specifically saying they even licensed beyond the first volume, so they only be planning to release that one. Right now, no one knows. Point is, at this moment, without attempting any future speculation, all English versions of this series call it The Melancholy so unless and until it is shown to be otherwise with the novels, that is the proper name per WP:MOS-AM. Now, if in, totally guessing, 3-6 months when the next novel, if actually licensed, comes out, and Hachett keeps the original name, there is nothing precluding the name to be rediscussed the the article moves and tweaked appropriately. Its a relatively minor change, text wise. Yeah, another move would suck, but something that can't be helped because of the accidental move earlier. (side note...seems like a waste of funds to print it in two versions considering that if the young girls aren't attracted to the cute cover, they certainly aren't likely to want that plain one :P) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Even I had considered the fact that they only planned to release the first volume, but I feel that's pretty short sighted of the publishers, especially when they know there's a demand for the other novels beyond The Melancholy. And while I realized WP:CRYSTAL would come up (and finding some way to get around it), why not merge everything into Haruhi Suzumiya and specifying per media section what is called what. What I mean by that is, in the light novel section mention that the first novel has been licensed as The Melancholy, but be sure to say that the other novels have other titles and haven't been released in English to boot. Same thing for the manga sections, and anime, therefore we can still keep all this Melancholy business while also writing about the other aspects, including the manga spin-offs Haruhi-chan and Nyoron, their ONA adaptations, the audio dramas, and the video games. Yes, the series (sort of) is known in English as The Melancholy, but while that argument works for other series, it's more complicated for Haruhi Suzumiya as not all aspects of the series share The Melancholy name, hence why I'd be against the article title being named The Melancholy as it only is actually attributed to the first-season anime, one manga adaptation, and the original first novel. (And the covers weren't the only thing changed. The mainstream release is meant to remove all connections to the otaku culture, making it easier to pick up for the everyday person. I don't even think the mainstream release has any of the illustrations.)--十八 04:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems short sited to us, but realistically, light novels have not, for the most part, done well here. :( One volume likely to get picked up on its name is a much safer investment than eight volumes. And again, wouldn't be the first time (think how many series got only 1-2 volumes before being axed). The reverse of your suggestion also holds true. Why not call it The Melancholy and note in the individual sections which ones have different names. The games aren't really even an issue as almost all games are named different from the series proper. (You may be right on their removing the illustrations...at least there are none in the posted preview chapter from it.) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be confusing to readers of the article (and those searching for other aspects of the series not under The Melancholy name) to lump everything in a single article named The Melancholy? It seems more logical, to me, to use the neutral title Haruhi Suzumiya as all aspects share that title. But I guess I can't get around WP:UCN no matter how hard I'd like to. The series (or rather the franchise) is known the best in English as The Melancholy, so even though I wouldn't like it, I guess we don't have a choice. (There wouldn't be any illustrations in the preview, since that'd be unnecessary to have two prose previews when they're previews of the prose.)--十八 05:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Long as there are redirects and the lead summarizes it, I don't think it would be more confusing than any other series where the media has differing names. True, on the preview. Some others have included images, but not always. And thank you. This has been a good discussion either way :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess I'm a bit late for this, but I thought I'd point out that Hachette's website has the second volume listed (for an October release, BTW) under the title The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya: [4][5] (unless this is not, in fact, the second volume... I'm not familiar with the series, due to it not being available to me... =( ) --Dinoguy1000 (talk · contribs) as 66.116.12.126 (talk) 06:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The Sigh is indeed the second novel in the series. Does that mean the argument to have all the information under a single The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya article is moot now? Does WP:UCN even apply in these circumstances?--十八 06:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

No, the argument to merge the article is not moot at all. I'd like to think we can all agree it should be under one article per the MoS and basic common sense that it is still all the same series, even with the name changing. It does, however, mean the name of the merged article should be discussed further. As the light novels are the primary work, generally that would be the name Haruhi Suzumiya, though per WP:UCN I think it be pretty easy to argue that The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is the most common name. Be nice if someone else could weigh in on this naming issue. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 12:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean the concept of merging was moot, but that naming the merged article The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is now moot. I think this is an exception where WP:UCN can't apply.--十八 23:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

You did better with that search engine than me (their site sucks! Trying to find all books in any series is such a pain or even a single book they have published). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 12:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Nah, I just started at The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, clicked on Nagaru Tanigawa, then clicked "View all books by Nagaru Tanigawa". ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 17:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Re-airing 28 episodes

I don't have a source for it other than MAL, but according to various Japanese TV stations, the supposed re-airing of Haruhi is 28 episodes long instead of 14...so, in other, words, there is a possibility of the new episodes being mixed in with the first season, or being aired after the first season is completed. Then again, given KyoAni's reputation, it's certainly possible that they plan to air the episodes in chronological order, then in the original order or something equally disappointing. Either way, keep your ears open for news. 70.130.36.17 (talk) 12:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

There already is a reliable source in the article. Bikasuishin (talk) 12:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)