Talk:Harry's Bar (London)

Harry's Bar (London) was nominated as a Agriculture, food and drink good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (October 26, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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A fact from Harry's Bar (London) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 May 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "it is almost impossible to find fault" with London's exclusive private dining club, Harry's Bar – until one receives the bill?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Harry's Bar (London).

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry's Bar in 2022

... that the private dining club Harry's Bar in London's Mayfair would spend $80,000 a year on flowers? Source: ["Harry's Bar is about spending $80,000 per annum on flowers; it's about perfectionism. We wouldn't start doing catering or opening on weekends or turning tables to make ends meet. That completely goes against the ethos of what we do" https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/10/harrys-bar-london, Wild About Harry's, Vicky Ward, 12 October 2005, Vanity Fair]
- Reviewed: October (Shostakovich)

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by No Swan So Fine (talk) at 09:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article content is good to go; new, more than long enough and well cited. I believe it needs a QPQ if I am reading the contribs properly. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ complete, GTG. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Maury Markowitz: I think that we can do better with the hook. How about these:

ALT1... that London's exclusive private dining club Harry's Bar was described as resembling "the departure lounge for Concorde"?

ALT2... that the Italian cooking at London's Harry's Bar was described as more "High Urban" than "Tuscan Farmhouse"?

ALT3... that "it is almost impossible to find fault" with London's exclusive private dining club Harry's Bar until one receives the bill?

ALT4... that London's exclusive private dining club Harry's Bar was described as the perfect place to "watch designer clothes in action"?

ALT5... that the members of London's exclusive private dining club Harry's Bar were described as including "film stars of the old school, dandiacal plutocrats, Mayfair smoothies and the gastronomically earnest"? Philafrenzy (talk) 13:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is fun, 4 as well. But the original isn't bad either. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Harry's Bar (London)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 01:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good article criteria

Well written

I think the lead should be expanded. A general rule of thumb is mention something from each section of the article in the lead. In particular, I think more from the origins section about the disagreement with James Sherwood, and the new branches that opened in 2017 and 2018 should be mentioned.
- Fixed I've added the new branches and added Sherwood. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Venice could be linked. I know its a pretty well known city, but I think the more links the better, and it won't cause sea of blue issues.
- Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Lawrence Goldman, wrote of the club... That comma should be removed.
- Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Birley had previously opened the members club Annabel's in 1963. Not sure what this sentence is there for. It doesn't really fit under "Ambience" or flow from the previous sentence.
- Fixed Removed. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The membership of Harry's Bar was described shortly... can be changed to The membership of Harry's Bar was described in the New York Times shortly...
- Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Penati later left Harry's Bar after it was bought by Richard Caring, stating... Since the purchase by Richard Caring was not mentioned until later, this can be changed to Penati left Harry's Bar after it was bought by Richard Caring In 2007, stating...
- Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oxford Street and James Street, Marylebone can be linked.
- Fixed I've removed the imprecise Oxford Street, and clarified the location as Marylebone. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A branch of Harry's Bar opened on James Street near Oxford Street in October 2018. Another branch of Harry's Bar, Harry's Dolce Vita, opened on Basil Street in Knightsbridge in December 2017. These sentences are out of chronological order.
- Fixed I've swapped them around. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Quotes take up a large portion of this article, which does not make for the best writing. The length and number of direct quotes should be reduced.
- Fixed I've sought to reduce the quotes. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The origins section paragraph should be split up. It is massive right now.

Verifiable with no original research

The club was established by Mark Birley in 1979 and named for the famed bar of the same name in Venice founded by Giuseppe Cipriani. The reference doesn't seem to back this up.
- I don't believe this has been fixed yet. Steelkamp (talk) 13:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
...with the menu centred around the Milan region of Italy. The decor of the club was designed by Nina Campbell in a Venetian style with furnishings and tableware imported from Italy. Does the reference back this up?
- This seems to be ok now. Steelkamp (talk) 13:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
...are prominently displayed among fabrics by Mariano Fortuny. Does the reference back this up?
- I still don't see mention of Fortuny in the references for that sentence. Steelkamp (talk) 13:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The restaurant has polished floorboards... Does the reference back this up?
- FixedI've removed these, I think I have lost the original citation.No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The head chef upon opening was Alberico Penati... Is there a source for this? Ref 9, written in 1998, says Penati had been chef for a decade beforehand. Does this mean he was not head chef when the club opened?

Broad in its coverage

Neutral

The origins section might be a bit biased against Sherwood. It features a large quote by Birley and Robin Birley but nothing really from Sherwood's point of view. The Vanity Fair reference says "Sherwood wrote that as the head of a public company he doesn’t have the same freedom that Birley enjoys."
- Fixed I've added that quote. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stable

Illustrated, if possible

The striped awnings of Harry's Bar. As the article does not discuss the striped awnings, I think this caption should be replaced by something more generic such as Harry's Bar from another angle.
- Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Optional: I recommend alt text for all images.

General

That's it. Putting on hold now. Steelkamp (talk) 04:01, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@No Swan So Fine: How is this coming along? Steelkamp (talk) 06:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With comments left unaddressed after a month, I am going to fail this review. There wasn't that much that needed fixing up, so feel free to ping me if you renominate. Steelkamp (talk) 23:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]