Talk:Harrison Ford/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Filmography

Leaves out the role of the railroad man from Chicago in a Kung TV episode. 1973 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.78.21.58 (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

The Guns of Navarone

According to IMDB, a very young Harrison Ford had a tiny part in the Guns of Navarone (1961) at about 1 hour and 43 minutes into the film when Gregory Peck, David Niven and their comrades(dressed as German officers / soldiers) stop a truck. Harrison Ford is the German soldier in the back of the truck with a machine gun, who is killed by Anthony Quinn's character, Col. Stavrou. He is visible for about 3 seconds, but the face / nose are unmistakable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsmilgin (talk • contribs) 04:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

The Great Escape

There isn't mention of Ford's uncredited extra role in The Great Escape, he was a young nazi and ford wass 22 at the time, before his appearance in Dead Heat, will someone please write that in? It should be notable seeing as the film is a classic, and he was clear in sight, when he appeared on screen. Please someone who knows how to properyl edit it put it in I have no idea how to properly edit thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irishdude75 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I would have to see a reference to support that. The Great Escape was released in July 1963 and Ford didn't go to California until 1964. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully you'll read it but if you look on youtube there is a clip of Harrison Ford as the silent extra it looks exactly like him and theres another video comparing the appearance to a photo taken around that time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irishdude75 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the person in the clip resembles Ford, but it isn't him. The ears are set higher in relationship to the nose than Ford's, and the right ear is shaped differently. You might read this forum for a brief discussion of it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The image from the great escape of this actor isn't clear enough to make it conclusive one way or another as to whether it is Harrison Ford. It is not impossible that it was him (he would of been 20 at the time, and could easily of spent a summer as an extra that has previously been unmentioned.) However, unless it can be proved it has no place on his wikipedia page, and proof in this case may require an interviewer to ask the man himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.48.161 (talk) 16:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

He was also uncredited as a waiter in "Our Man Flint" in 1966 with James Coburn and actually interacted with Coburn when he gave him the check at a restaurant.Mardak63 (talk) 19:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

1963 Great Escape, TheThe Great Escape Young Nazi on train uncredited?

Has someone actually found proof this was Ford? Why is this included in the article? --75.175.49.44 (talk) 03:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

The young actor playing the Nazi looks exactly like the young Ford except for the cleft chin, which is only visible in the clear DVD clip also uploaded onto youtube. The cleft's the deal-breaker unless it could've been added by a makeup man for some reason. The movie was shot in Europe while Ford was in a Wisconsin college as far as we know. Could he have been traveling over there during the summer and worked as an extra? Yes, of course, but one thinks he would've mentioned being in one of the few postwar action pictures to rival "Raiders of the Lost Ark" to someone at some point, especially since this extra gets a remarkable amount of screen time and I actually remember him from first seeing the movie. It's quite rare for an extra to be afforded the chance to make that kind of impression. But the cleft's the unfortunate deal-breaker. What would be interesting would be to track that guy down and see if he continued to look like Ford over the decades! Nick Powers (talk) 02:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Fact accuracy issue?

The beginning of the article states: "At one point, each of the top five box-office hits of all time included one of his roles,[1] though his role in E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (as Elliot's school principal) was deleted from the final cut of the film."

This fact is peculiar not only because of the E.T. aspect, but because the source cited lists The Empire Strikes Back TWICE!

1. $ 461.0 $ 337.0 $ 798.0 Star Wars (1977)
2. $ 435.1 $ 321.8 $ 756.9 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
3. $ 309.1 $ 263.7 $ 572.9 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
4. $ 290.3 n/a $ 290.3 Empire Strikes Back, The (1980)
5. $ 290.2 $ 248.0 $ 538.2 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)

http://www.worldwideboxoffice.com/index.cgi?order=domestic&start=1900&finish=1983&keyword=

Any thoughts? Someone please verify or remove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skyadd (talk • contribs) 04:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I concured and looked into it just a tad. Ford obviously doesn't appear in Jaws, the 6th place movie AFAIK and it's obvious that due to a blatant error, Empire Strikes Back was listed twice for no bloody reason at all. Well, not exactly. One refers to the U.S. the other refers to an international release. Since they are the same movie, the "base value" of the US sales of the US release is shared and for all intents and purposes that actually matter, the US value is the same for both movies. It's just that for some reason, they are listed separately on said site and one includes overseas sales where as the other does not. Seeing as how, the whole ET thing sooooo does not count, (if it's not in the final cut, it straight up isn't in the movie, duh) I edited appropriately. Perfect Chaos Zero (talk) 09:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

CHIN INJURY "Ford injured his chin at the age of 20 when his car, a Volvo 544, hit a telephone pole in Northern California". How can he injured his chin at 20 in California when he moved in 1964 at the age of 22? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.165.114 (talk) 15:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

New WikiProject open!

I have finally created a WikiProject for Indiana Jones! Check it out. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 20:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

French article

who can translate the french article? thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.245.179.224 (talk) 00:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Mixed Martial Arts

I removed this section. It only has one source that didn't hit any result on google and even if it did there need to be more than one for such a controversial claim on a WP:BLP. --Seba5618 (talk) 19:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The information was up for several months (approaching a year) and is sourced in print (as referenced). That it is not online does not discredit a source, or one would have to discredit tremendous amounts of scholarly material not translated into hypertext. I am returning the information until it is refuted. 69.22.238.202 (talk) 04:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wildhartlivie "Wildhartlivie" has decided to take it into his own hands to threaten me with bans for providing referenced material. Completely ignoring both his own talk page and here. Therefore, I will return with FURTHER PRINT CITATIONS to demonstrate the REPORTED INCIDENT. And I will restress that this information has been up for APPROACHING A YEAR without report.69.22.238.202 (talk) 05:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

My extremely strong suggestion would be to post any sources you come up with here for review by concerned editors. I would also suggest, that if this is in fact a notable occurrence, that ONLINE CITATIONS could be found that supported the allegations in this section. It doesn't matter how long something has been in an article, once the veracity and reliability of the content has been challenged, it is incumbent upon whomever that wants it included to prove the truthfulness of the content. Meanwhile, WP:BLP mandates that it be removed. Read some policies, they have been given to you along with the warnings regarding violations of WP:BLP supported with one dubious, unverifiable source. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

If this was indeed a noticeable incident then I'm sure there must be other sources. The fact that I wasn't able to find online references of your source does question its WP:V, ¿what's the name of this journal?, ¿how can we stablish its WP:V?. Summing up, the main problem with the section is the weak source, but even if you are able to prove the notability of that one source it is still not enough to justify such a controversial section. --Seba5618 (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I wonder what this was all about.... Nick Powers (talk) 02:46, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Who was his grandaughter born to?

In the article it states that Ford's first grandson, Eliel, is Willard's son and second grandson, Ethan, is Benjamin's son. Who was grandaughter Giuliana born to?99.181.99.248 (talk) 18:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Sad

It's a sad state of affairs when the section describing his airplanes is bigger than the combined sizes of those describing his environmental and community activities. Speaks volumes about the world today... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.146.220 (talk) 08:20, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Then make some bullet points and add some information in order to eclipse what you consider "sad." Don't just whine. 69.77.183.86 (talk) 04:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

That is pretty sad and I like how the guy who didn't even have the guts to sign his name implies that you are "whining". It's a commentary on what's human tendencies. In essence, his aircraft are more publicized than his charity work and as such, more information is available about it. While adding information would help the problem on the wiki, the fact is that human nature will always ensure that the airplanes get the spotlight, if from the average joe blow, then due to the efforts of the publicity agents belonging to Ford or his representatives, which are sure to ensure that the "glamor" side is the one emphasized most (and sure to edit the article). It's Hollywood. It's disgusting and more foul than cat poo in a free deli sandwich. That's how they roll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perfect Chaos Zero (talk • contribs) 10:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

It's rather ironic that the guy who had to comment on someone not signing his name (when he did in fact sign with his IP signature) happens to not sign his name either. Meanwhile, if you have some reason to think that Harrison Ford's publicists or representatives have edited his article, please elaborate. Otherwise, I'd have to say that the article isn't that full of undue publicity fodder and I doubt seriously that his reps would bother with this article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Surprised !

Hi Dudes.Can anyone help making understand this lame newbie.That how can harrison ford born in 1988 when he is active from 1966??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.74.105.130 (talk) 19:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

QUESTION: How is it that he is in the top 5 movies of all time in 1983, when actually, they are just star wars. this is deceptive, and that website seems innaccurate -- it has two listings for the second star wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.85.24 (talk) 23:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Edit semi-protected}} Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Spitfire19 ^T/_C 05:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Harrison Ford article; Zeta Tau, Spider, and Ant additions with references

Just some small additions that I thought could be useful to expand this Harrison Ford article:

Add to the fourth sentence of the third paragraph under 'Early life', that "He attended Ripon College in Wisconsin, where he was a member of the Zeta Tau Chapter of the Sigma Nu fraternity." Verifiable website link is: http://www.sigmanu.org/about/famous_sigmanus.php

Add to the second sentence under 'Environmental causes', that "In 1993, the arachnologist Norman Platnick named a new species of eight eyed spider found in California, Calponia harrisonfordi, and in 2002, the entomologist Edward O. Wilson named a new Central American ant species, Pheidole harrisonfordi, (in recognition of Harrison's work as Vice Chairman of Conservation International)." Verifiable website links are: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~stevelew/lar.html and http://www.loe.org/shows/shows.htm?programID=04-P13-00018 and http://www.nndb.com/people/812/000022746/

http://www.loe.org/shows/shows.htm?programID=04-P13-00018 also includes this 223x163 - 10k picture of the Pheidole harrisonfordi ant: [[1]] that could be added to the article.

• Pheidole HarrisonFordi, named in honor of Harrison Ford for "his contribution in service and support to tropical conservation." (Photo by Sarah Ashworth, © Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University.)
  Pheidole HarrisonFordi, named in honor of Harrison Ford for "his contribution in service and support to tropical conservation." (Photo by Sarah Ashworth, © Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University.)

MHS7 (talk) 06:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The Bruno incident

Is it possible to have somewhere here mentioned about the whole Bruno incident? --Victory93 (talk) 03:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

What whole Bruno incident? Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

In the movie Brüno, Sacha Baron Cohen was stalking Harrison Ford where he came up to him and Harrison said to him "f**k off" without knowing who he was or what he was doing. The entire scene can be seen in the movie. --Victory93 (talk) 07:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Polanski supporter

maybe someone can add to this article that Harrison fords name is on the FREE POLANSKI petition!

I have always been a huge ford fan, but having found out he is supporting this habitual child molester has changed my mind. I will never again go to a movie or rent/buy one that Harrison is in or has been in, I just threw away my copy of blade runner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.225.217 (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

No, such content is not being added to articles. There is an article on Wikipedia called 2009 arrest of Roman Polanski covering that event. To add a signature to a petition does not mean they are supporting child molestation and that seems to be the viewpoint of those wanting to add what amounts to one signature out of many instances where celebrities support something for more than one reason. It isn't relevant to what makes the article subject notable and lends undue weight to the content. Boycott whoever you want, but skewing the article with this violates WP:BLP and won't be included. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy of property owned

800 acres does not equal 3.2km² —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.195.240.74 (talk) 10:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Unless you're picking on rounding errors, you're incorrect - 800 acres is 3.237 km². — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.82.51.9 (talk) 15:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Inaccurate reference to political views

The referenced article: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000148/bio says "A Democrat, he is an opponent of the Iraq war and is very active in environmental issues." But in the Wikipedia article, he's referred to as a lifelong Republican. The word Republican never even shows in his bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.197.152 (talk) 08:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

That was changed a little while ago by a vandal. It has been reverted and now correctly says Democrat. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Environmentalism hypocrisy

Critics have noted some hypocrisy by Ford for admitting to using one of his many airplanes to "fly up the coast for a cheeseburger". Shouldn't this be included in the environmental part of his bio? It's really not proper to say you are an environmentalist if you are spewing more pollution than the average person. I think his brand of "Hollywood environmentalism" needs to be qualified in a factual way. JettaMann (talk) 18:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Political views

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Harrison's political views mean nothing unless he is actually running for office (or elsewise elected). Everyone has political views, and this is an invitation for controversy. I recommend striking this from the article. The entire article is locked from editing, not something that should be done lightly. --71.245.164.83 (talk) 23:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Not done: I'm not following your arguement here... Harrison_Ford#Political_views is well-cited and describes notable political activities by Ford. His biography would be incomplete if they weren't mentioned. The article is semi-protected in accordance with the protection policy and the history of vandalism to this article, as noted in its protection log. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 03:28, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Concerning his alleged lifelong friendship with Bill Clinton: This does not seem to be true, as he himself states in an interview he gave to the Berliner Morgenpost, when asked about this relation, see [[2]]: The relevant passage, in the original German and translated by me: Morgenpost Online: Diskutieren Sie solche Sachen mit Ihrem Kumpel Bill Clinton? Do you discuss these things (referring to the Assage/Wikileaks matter) with your old buddy, Bill Clinton?

Harrison Ford: Was? Bill Clinton ist mein Kumpel? Whaat? Bill Clinton is my buddy?

Morgenpost Online: Steht überall im Internet zu lesen. Can be read everywhere in the internet.

Harrison Ford: So ein Quatsch. Wer sich das wieder ausgedacht hat. Nein, ich bin nicht mit Bill Clinton befreundet. Ich bin auch nicht einer, der sich politisch einmischen würde. What a nonsense. i wonder who cooked that up. No I'm not befriended with Bill Clinton. I am also not someone who likes to meddle with politics.

This is certainly not a big deal (anyway, i don't really know if a friendship, true or not, is of relevance to a encyplopedia article, it would deem it irrelevant). But at least such a statement should be true, which apparently it isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.206.110.173 (talk) 14:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

He attended the White House during the Clinton administration and played golf with him several times. (92.7.26.128 (talk) 20:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC))

Edit request from Taylocha, 3 February 2011

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Six of Harrison Fords films have been inducted into the national film registry (Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars: A New Hope, Apocalypse Now, American Graffiti, and Blade Runner (the movie).

Actually seven of them dont forget the conversation - if you wont edit then delete the fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.187.138 (talk) 00:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC) Taylocha (talk) 04:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Even if we pulled the registry as the reliable source, this shouldn't be added to the article, because it has nothing to do with Ford. Films are chosen because they are "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant films". That says nothing about Ford, his quality as an actor or human being, etc. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

7 films in National Film Registry

On the page it says Five of his films have been inducted into the National Film Registry but its actually Seven. American Graffiti, Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner, The Conversation, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.62.70.58 (talk) 07:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Phinsley, 12 August 2011

This is something That should be added to Mr. Fords Wikipedia Page. In the book Jim Morrison: Life,Death, Legend", By Stephen Davis, It is mentioned in book two Chapter six page 265 that "New Doors crew member Harrison Ford was an aspiring actor; his chores included carpentry and (according to unsubstantiated Hollywood lore) finding herbs for the band. He also handled one of the cameras during the concert's four-camera shoot. Phinsley (talk) 05:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC) Paul C. Hinsley IV

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Topher385 (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 14 November 2011

The pictures of Harrison portray him to be old. He needs to look young and like the hunk that he is! !- End request --> 74.178.194.165 (talk) 12:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Not a request. And he is old--Jac16888 ^Talk 14:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The Long Ride Home

Please remove the Long Ride Home from his filmography. A Time For Killing (1967) is the same movie which stars Glenn Ford and Inger Stevens. The Long Ride Home is the title of this movie for the British version. Harrison Ford filmed this movie after Luv in 1967 and was credited as Harrison J. Ford. There is no need to say that twice... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.165.125 (talk) 23:11, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

je déplore la mauvaise qualité de vos traductions.Elles n'encouragent pas la lecture de vos articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.11.190.95 (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

when actor Tony Curtis delivered a bag of groceries, he did it like a star. Ford felt his job was to act like a bellboy

This sentence is very ambigious - Does this mean

A, he saw no star quality in Ford? B, Ford over reached the boundaries of what was expected of him? C, He expected Ford to bring more to the role?

It makes no sense. Please can someone be kind enough to redraft the sentance so that it is Clear what the meaning is I cant its locked. Admin ?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.26.223 (talk) 15:16, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

"Jewish" category

Harrison Ford has never, ever identified himself as Jewish. He does have Jewish ancestry on his mother's side, but that does not mean he himself is Jewish. In an interview once, he apparently said "I feel Irish as a person and jewish as an actor". Even if that comment was made, it does not mean that he is Jewish. This article should not be included in the Jewish Actors category. Kookoo Star (talk) 12:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

He said he "feels Jewish as an actor" on his interview on Inside the Actors Studio, his mother was Jewish, and the category is called "Jewish actors". Your edit comment included the statement "belonging to the Jewish faith". The idea that you have to "belong to the Jewish faith" to be Jewish is just a POV, not a statement of fact (and it's not even a POV shared by most Jewish denominations; Orthodox Judaism, for example, says that someone "belongs" to the Jewish faith if their mother was Jewish). Aside from this, how does one define "belonging to the Jewish faith"? Anyway, if Ford simply said he "feels Jewish" but wasn't actually of Jewish heritage, of course the categorization would be incorrect. But that's not the case. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

This whole matter is a POV issue. Judaism is a religion, not a nationality, so yes - this is about belonging to a religious faith. And a person saying that they "feel" a certain way does not mean that they "are" a certain way. Ford's mother may be of Jewish decent, but his father is of Irish descent and equally, we cannot list Ford under "Catholic Actors" either. Ford himself has never actually publicly stated belonging to any faith. You cannot claim a person as Jewish because of their ancestry, and it is completely irrelevant whether or not other Jews would see Ford as one of their own because of his mother's ancestry. Ford himself has never declared himself to be Jewish, and his comment that "he felt Irish as a person and Jewish as an actor" could mean any number of things. Ford isn't actually Irish either. He is an American of Irish descent. The article can reflect that Ford is an American of Jewish descent, but unless he unequivocally states that he is Jewish (not "I feel jewish as an actor"), he should not be listed as a Jewish actor as it is factually inaccurate and contravenes WP:BLP. Kookoo Star (talk) 22:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

"Judaism is a religion, not a nationality, so yes - this is about belonging to a religious faith" - right there we have a problem. That statement is not true. Being "Jewish" is a matter of many things, including religion, and yes, ancestry, culture, and ethnicity. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. People are Jewish by virtue of being members of the ethnic group, that's kind of the point. The article Jews describes Jews as "a nation and an ethnoreligious group". Who is a Jew? has more on this as well. And yes, obviously if Ford says he "feels Jewish", especially as an actor (which is what the category is), then he has self-identified as Jewish. If his mother was Italian and he said he "feels Italian" and he was listed as an Italian-American actor we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's just a fact. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

No. Harrison Ford has never stated he is Jewish. Ever. He has made a comment where he says he "feels Irish as a person and Jewish as an actor" and while this might be a nod to his parents' heritage, it does not make him Jewish any more than it makes him Irish. We do not list Harrison Ford under the category Irish People or Irish Actors, but we list him under Americans of Irish Descent because that is the most factually accurate descriptor. He has not exhibited one single Jewish trait as far as religion, culture, ethnicity, political belief, or lifestyle goes. His comment about feeling "Irish as a person and Jewish as an actor" was most likely an off-the-cuff remark intended to be a humorous way to acknowledge his ancestry, but it does not mean that he himself is either Irish or Jewish. How can he be a Jewish actor and not a Jewish person? The very idea of it is ridiculous. Does he predominantly play Jews? No. Does it mean he doesn't eat bacon when he's on the set of a film but eats it all the time at home? No. And the articles you point to do not support your assertion because they are essentially a grouping of beliefs and points of view themselves. No third party can claim Harrison Ford is Jewish, only Ford himself can state whether or not he is, and unless he does he should not be included in a category for Jewish Actors. By listing him in this category, you are making public assertions about his beliefs and way of life that he himself has not publicly confirmed. It contravenes WP:BLP and, from an encyclopedic view, it is completely wrong. The only related category he should be included in is Americans of Jewish Descent as this is the only category that can be factually proven and therefore not be a BLP issue. Kookoo Star (talk) 02:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Here are things you should not say, because they are simply wrong:

"this is a WP:BLP issue so it should be left out of the article until a consensus is reached" --- The category has been in the article for almost six and a half years - i.e. this. This is not some new issue or edit that has startlingly now arisen given new information or some new development.

"has some Jewish ancestry on his mother's side" - no, his mother was entirely Jewish. You're just using that language to make yourself sound more right.

"and is repeatedly adding the article to the category "Jewish Actors"." --- No, I am not "repeatedly adding" or "adding" anything at all. Like I said, the category has been here for over six years, what I'm doing is reverting it back into the article. I don't go around adding these categories to articles.

And especially don't say things like "He has not exhibited one single Jewish trait as far as religion, culture, ethnicity, political belief, or lifestyle goes". That makes it very, very hard for me in particular to assume any semblance of good faith ("political belief"? WTFF?), and I am not going to ask you to explain what you meant with this sentence because I really don't need to hear it. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 02:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, whether the article has been attributed to the category for a long or short time is irrelevant. It doesn't mean it is right. Lots of misinformation gets passed in articles by using sources that are either misinterpreted or incorrectly reported. Secondly, if Harrison Ford's mother was Jewish (whether fully or partly) it is still correct to say he has some Jewish ancestry on her side of the family. It still does not mean he identifies himself as Jewish. Lastly, I have actually just watched The Actors Studio interview in question and he did make a humorous comment relating to his ancestry when asked if his mixed family background ever influenced him as a person and as an artist. He said that "as a man I always felt Irish, as an actor I always felt Jewish". He was laughing as he said it and the audience applauded him for making such a funny and clever answer, though it is no indication to mean that he actually is Jewish. A simple, off-the-cuff remark like this, that was obviously intended to be humorous, is not going to make your case. The interview is here at about 2.40 mins in. Kookoo Star (talk) 03:03, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I saw the video a long time ago. Anyway, you know what, I really don't have the energy to participate in this. Would you mind removing your comment from the BLP noticeboard? I won't revert again, and I have no need to do so. With the text now in the article, I'm sure some editor will come along sooner than later and just re-add the category, or one just like it, back into the article. That's the beauty of a Wiki. Things tend to balance out as they should. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 03:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

No, I will not remove the comment from the BLP noticeboard because it needs to be discussed. Should another editor magically appear and reinsert the category like you say, then the noticeboard discussion will be relevant. As far as I'm concerned, the article is balanced out as it should be right now. Ford is listed in the Americans of Jewish Descent category, but not Jewish Actors. That is factually accurate. Kookoo Star (talk) 03:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Why would it be relevant? You evidently didn't need any consensus other than your own with yourself to remove it at the moment. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 03:14, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Because if editors (specifically admins) who know more about BLP issues than you do determine it is not an appropriate category, then it will be relevant to point to the BLP noticeboard discussion should anybody try to reinsert the category. Of course, if Harrison Ford actually publicly and clearly states he is Jewish in the meantime, then I will happily reinsert the category myself. Kookoo Star (talk) 03:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

And how do these people know more about BLP issues than me? I've been on Wikipedia for longer than most of them. The point is, what you've written out there on that board is the usual slanted POV, including the claim that makes it seem like I've apparently shown up out of nowhere and started inserting the category into the article, when of course all I've done is revert something that was already here for years. I just don't have the energy to go over there and re-start all this talk again. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 03:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

You've been on Wikipedia for years, and that means that you must be right and anyone who doesn't agree with you must be wrong? My posting on the BLP noticeboard simply reflects the case at hand and the facts. Not the assumptions, but the facts, right along with the source you are using to assert your claim that Harrison Ford is Jewish. If you don't agree with it, then go over the the board yourself and state your case. If you're just going to state what you have done on this page though, you don't really have a case - or a clear understanding of BLP issues on Wikipedia. But if you don't want to spend energy on it any more then don't. Let other editors decide. Kookoo Star (talk) 03:32, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

The genius of going to the BLP noticeboard with any category issue is that it's an automatic win for the deleter, regardless of the outcome of the discussion itself. The usual batch of editors get involved and typically what happens is a discussion like this one, which lasts forever and has no outcome to speak of. I also found this bit, but I know no source is ever sufficient for anything, so, like I said, I am not reverting on this category issue ever again. It is just too exhausting. : "Asked if Calista has converted to Judaism, Harrison, who's Jewish, replied, "Not yet, but I'm working on it... I don't mind if you write that," Harrison added. "It will help." He quipped, "It makes me sound interesting."" All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 03:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not actually expecting a "win" on the BLP noticeboard, only an appropriate discussion. It's not a contest. And yes, you would need a far better source than a fluff piece from The Philippine Inquirer website which you quoted above. If we're talking about POV slants though, I notice that two years ago you removed category "American Roman Catholics" from the article, stating that there was no evidence. Ford's father is Irish Catholic and his mother is Russian Jewish, and he confirmed this in the very interview that you are using as a source. What makes you think his mother's background is more important that his father's? The fact is that neither category is appropriate to the article because Ford has not said he is Catholic or Jewish, but it's clear that you have pushed that agenda. Kookoo Star (talk) 04:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

"Catholic" is a religion where membership is defined predominantly by practice, "Jewish" is an ethncity, religion, culture, etc. (nor did Ford ever say he "feels" Catholic). Again, when I have to explain such basic facts over and over again, I have absolutely no desire to continue in this. You'ure just totally right about everything you say, and everything you have ever said, ever. You are the most factually accurate person ever. There. Now that we've agreed on this simple and obvious truth, can we drop this? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 11:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

You're the one keeping it going. Kookoo Star (talk) 11:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

This is being discussed here and I have responded there. Bus stop (talk) 16:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Kookoo Star—you say, way up at the top of this thread, "In an interview once, he apparently said "I feel Irish as a person and jewish as an actor". Even if that comment was made, it does not mean that he is Jewish."

Can I ask you what would convince you Harrison Ford is Jewish? What would be your criteria? Mindful of WP:BLPCAT's requirement for "self-identification" for purposes of Categorization, what would you need to hear him say in order to consider him Jewish? Thanks. Bus stop (talk) 22:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

What would it take? Far more than has been presented here. In the Actors Studio interview, Ford was laughing when he made the comment. You have to watch the interview to put it into context and the way he was playing the interviewer's question about his ancestry. There is no doubt it was a joke - how can you be a jewish actor and not a jewish person? Of course, if you want to assert that Ford was not joking when he made the comment and he meant to self-identify himself as jewish then I suggest we alter the James Cameron article and list him as "James Cameron, King Of The World" since that's what he said he felt like at the 1997 Oscars. Kookoo Star (talk) 00:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Wrong. He didn't say he "felt" like the king of the world, he said he WAS the king of the world. So the brilliant game of semantics with which you've wasted all our time here (and yours) doesn't hold up. Under your false equivalency, apparently James Cameron is the King of the World if he says he is (and that is what he said), and is not the King of the World if he says he only feels like he is. Here's the video of King Cameron himself. BTW, Cameron wasn't even laughing or smiling when he said he what he did. So, under your criteria, which you came up with yet apparently is somehow what we all must follow, he clearly is the king of the world. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 02:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

That is totally and utterly irrelevant and your argument is sinking further with each ridiculous comment you make. Kookoo Star (talk) 13:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, of course! I wouldn't have it any other way. The point is that saying "I am" something is not always adequate self-identification (as in Cameron's case), and saying "I feel" like I am something is not always inadequate self-identification. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

This issue is being discussed at WP:BLPN, where it will get wider input. I suggest that you leave this pointless 'debate', and participate there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Kookoo Star—what is presented here is adequate, in my opinion. We don't require anything like a sworn affidavit from Harrison Ford that he is Jewish. We've got to be realistic about the way people speak. All sources point to Harrison Ford being Jewish. I don't think we necessarily have to be concerned about whether he was laughing when speaking. In fact he said something funny. When asked about two walks of life, concerning two attributes of identity, Harrison Ford quipped that the (theatrical) stage brings out his Jewish side and that life offstage brings out his Irish side. There is no distinct separation or disconnect between being Jewish and being Irish. Being one does not exclude being the other. (We have an article that relates to Irish Jews.) A plain understanding of what transpired in the interview referred to, is that Harrison Ford draws upon his strengths as a Jew when performing onstage but that when offstage he draws on his strengths as an Irishman. This is funny and all present have a good laugh because it provides insight into the quirky ways that all of us draw upon strengths embedded in identities as it suits the situation we find ourselves in. Harrison Ford in that comment is referencing a common phenomenon that everyone can relate to, and that is why there is laughter seemingly emanating from everyone present. Again, we've got to be realistic about the way people normally speak. People for instance don't necessarily enunciate one thought at a time. This is especially so when an interviewer poses a compound question designed to elicit a response to reveal the inner workings of a complex man that the audience is interested in. The audience is understandably interested in knowing what makes this man tick, as he is an accomplished actor. In the course of answering the interviewer's question Harrison Ford affirms his Jewish identity for our purposes. Harrison Ford does not deny Jewish identity by allowing for the fact that off the stage his identity as an Irishman comes to the fore. WP:BLPCAT should be based on the way people normally speak. Bus stop (talk) 20:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

As I said on WP:BLPN: Bollocks. That is nothing more than spin, wishful thinking, and outright bullshit. We don't base article content on your self-serving claims to telepathic powers. (And what have Irish Jews got to do with this anyway - Ford's Jewish ancestors came from Minsk, not Munster). AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

AndyTheGrump—You are demanding legalistic precision in language when normal speech is all that WP:BLPCAT should be based upon. When asked about his identity via his father (Irish) and via his mother (Jewish), understandably he addresses both questions at once in a humorous quip that has all that are present laughing. There is nothing out of the ordinary here. This is normal speech. I don't really think that I am applying "spin" etc. We are talking about standard fare in casual dialogue:

Q. "Do you feel that in any way those confluences have influenced you, as a person, as an artist?"

A. "As a man I've always felt Irish, as an actor I've always felt Jewish."

The above is quotidian "self-identification" for the purposes of WP:BLPCAT in my opinion. Bus stop (talk) 21:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

It is bollocks in my opinion. And your earlier assertion that "Ford draws upon his strengths as a Jew when performing onstage" is obnoxious ethnic stereotyping. How the hell can you assert that he gets his acting 'strengths' from his Jewish ancestors, rather than his Irish or German ones? You can't. More self-serving bullshit, and possibly a violation of WP:BLP in itself. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Andy, if someone said "I consider myself" something, would that be adequate self-identification? And if so, what is the difference between "consider" and "feel"? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

AndyTheGrump—I don't think I am engaging in "ethnic stereotyping." He is given the opportunity to distance himself from Jewish identity. Instead he articulates a proximal relationship between Jewishness and acting. He says "…as an actor I've always felt Jewish." Has Harrison Ford not had a successful acting career? Bus stop (talk) 21:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

This issue is being discussed at WP:BLPN, where it will get wider input. Nothing will be decided here. If anyone has anything actually relevant to say on the subject, I suggest they join the discussion. I can see no point in continuing this ridiculous pseudo-psychological Wikilawyering. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

If what you're saying is "Every time some random person decides to remove a "Jewish" category that has been in an article for six years (sorry, six and a half years), we shall have a lengthy and endless debate about it on the BLP noticeboard", then I will have to turn down the offer. My question, though, still stands. Since apparently you've appointed yourself the decider of what counts for self-identification (congrats!), then I want to know if "I consider" is sufficient self-identification, and if so, what is the difference between "I consider" and "I feel"? I think it's a simple question and I want nothing more than an answer. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

This issue is being discussed at WP:BLPN, where it will get wider input, and be decided. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Let me help you there, with a little example:

I consider the BLP noticeboard to be a torturous hellhole, a pugnacious purgatory of sin and waste.

I feel that the BLP noticeboard is a torturous hellhole, a pugnacious purgatory of sin and waste.

What is the difference between the two? Haven't I said the same thing in a slightly different way? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Harrison Ford and the possibility of starring in Star Wars VII

Harrison Ford may be starring in Star Wars VII: http://blogs.canoe.ca/projectionist/movies/harrison-ford-open-to-doing-star-wars-7/ --<-·'¯'·.Ð駧í©átéÐ ©ó®þ§é.·'¯'·-> (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Added, it has been confirmed, see the sources added, feel free to add more sources if you find. avalean (talk) 17:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

The aircraft owned section seriously needs either deleting or citations

The last part of this section. For one it's not even notable or interesting information. It's also vague, incomplete and badly laid out. Will anyone complain if I remove it? Microphonics^talk 19:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Barfing in the helicopter

The article references http://www.landreport.com/2007/10/harrison-ford-crafts-a-masterpiece-in-wyoming/ as backing up the quote: “I can’t believe I barfed in Harrison Ford’s helicopter,” but this quote isn't in that source. I googled it and it can be found inside: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=116341 instead.

If the article weren't semi-protected I would have fixed it myself. Alas. Can somebody fix it? 178.84.139.121 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2013 (UTC)