Talk:Stram Kurs

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On 18 April 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hard Line (political party) to Stram Kurs. The result of the discussion was moved.

Ideology

New Right party in Denmark is labeled as right wing to far right so someone compare their platforms or if no one does i will. Also i don't think it is ethnically nationalist (Equip77 - remember your signature)

The party is very much against both islam and immigration, and describes itself as 'ethno nationalistic utilitarianism'. I believe those three describe the party well. --Kaffe42 (talk) 13:12, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is utilitarianism a political ideology? I haven't seen "Utilitarianism" listed on any other political party pages.--83.92.125.109 (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Far right" does not fit the ideologies expressed here, anti-immigration and anti-islam can be either left or right wing. Far-right is nazism or fascism, as far as I can tell this is a free market capitalist party which is critical against immigration (they're not even against it, they just want it to be stricter), and they're mostly just against the spread of islam in Denmark. Far-right is misleading, it should be right-wing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supevan (talk • contribs) 15:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The position of far right is well-sourced and consistent with how they are described in Danish media. ― Hebsen_{(previously Heb the best)} (talk) 16:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will add that I can't say that the Reuters and the Guardian articles make the characterization of far right "well sourced" more like the opposite same with goes to the reference of some danish media as a source for a far right claim in that regard. I suggest we reexamine how we reached the conclusions as to why this party is characterized as far right. Lmagoutas (talk) 21:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not a split from the New Right

Rasmus Paludan left New Right (to avoid expulsion) and then formed Hard Line, but he did it alone and I don't think you can call one guy leaving a party a split, so I have removed that.--Batmacumba (talk) 09:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: page moved. ― Heb the best (talk) 11:54, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hard Line (party) → Hard Line (political party) – I am requesting this move because the new disambiguation is more consistent with titles of other articles on political parties, such as Vox (political party). Geolodus (talk) 17:22, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever, it it is a problem, can't you just move it then? Beware that some meta templates might need to be moved too. ― Heb the best (talk) 20:01, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was originally under political party then someone moved it to party. I don't think we need a formal discussion about this, just move it back.--Batmacumba (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I thought this would be a potentially controversial move, so I decided to not be brash and discuss it first. Should the article just be moved? Geolodus (talk) 04:38, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Reverted move to "Stram Kurs and Hard Line"

It's perfectly respectable to use "and" formulations per WP:AND, but such a move is clearly not uncontroversial here and should be discussed. Tammbeck^Talk 06:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: No consensus (non-admin closure) b uidhe 23:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hard Line (political party) → Stram Kurs and Hard Line – Stram Kurs and Hard Line are two nearly identical organisations. They are very interlinked, but legally seperate entities. Kach and Kahane Chai, two Israeli far-right organisations, are also mentioned using 'and' despite both organisations being very interlinked. Apologies for moving it without discussion. MatryoshkaNL (talk) 09:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. ~SS49~ {talk} 10:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It is not unusual for an organisation to consist of separate legal entities. In many political parties, each local branch is its own legal entity. What is unusual here, of course, is that the distinction exist on the national level, but there is still only a single organisation, as the two parties consists of the same people. I don't think the Kach and Kahane Chai example is comparable, as that was a split within the party. This is purely a tactic to circumvent a ruling. The best comparison I have is Aldi, which consist of two seperate groups both named Aldi. In addition, Legal Hard Line is not notable in itself, only legal Stram Kurs is. The question can be revisited if legal Hard Line achieves ballot access to the Folketing- or EP-election. ― Hebsen (talk) 10:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support on condition that the relationship between the two entities is fully explained in the article. This seems to be exactly the sort of situation WP:AND exists for. The double title may be superfluous for bilingual readers, but monolingual English speakers may be unaware of the relationship between Stram Kurs and Hard Line. Tammbeck^talk 10:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Another issue is that both parties are named Hard Line in English, so even if this article is equally about both parties (it should not be), "Hard Line" would be the natural title (perhaps disambiguated differently). ― Hebsen (talk) 12:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We don't necessarily have to translate party names (eg. Borgerligt Centrum, Højre etc). It would be nice to get more opinions on this, but a can't imagine a differently disambiguated title would be clearer than "Stram Kurs and Hard Line". By the way, your explanation of the relationship between the two entities in the article is a good addition. Tammbeck^talk 12:57, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We use the name English sources use. For Stram Kurs that is Hard Line [1][2][3][4]. The opposite is the case for Venstre, who in English mainly is known under its Danish name. I guess that Borgerligt Centrum did not receive enough international attention to establish an English name. Don't know about Højre. If there should be a disambiguation with two parties, I would say Hard Line (political parties) could be considered, but I still claim legal Hard Line is not notable in its own right, only within the history of Stram Kurs. ― Hebsen (talk) 14:10, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Stram Kurs" is also used in English sources so I don't think we have a clear common name in this case: [5][6][7][8]. With regard to notability, I don't know of any policy which says every part of an article title must be separately notable. For example in craft brewery and microbrewery the two parts are heavily overlapping and essentially form one subject. I believe we have a similar situation here. Tammbeck^talk 15:17, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 18 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 08:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hard Line (political party) → Stram Kurs – Most English-language sources now use the Danish name (Google news). Also "hard line" is a quite generic term in English. Facts707 (talk) 08:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Name commonly used in English-language sources, including regarding the present events in Sweden. Also serves as natural disambiguation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Translating to English for the sake of it is not mandated anywhere. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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