Talk:Hanja/Archive 3
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Retention of labial codas in syllables with labial onsets
Hairwizard: why is my edit wrong? It is true that Korean retained labial codas in syllables with labial onsets. -- ran (talk) 20:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Where did you see it? I must check them. ㅂ is not the pronunciation of p
I'm using the Revised Romanization of Korean. Is there some reason why I should not use it? -- ran (talk) 20:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Here's how the labial codas work: in Classical Chinese, the 凡 rime, consisting of characters like 泛 凡 帆 範 犯 梵 法 乏, were pronounced with labial onsets and labial codas. These were lost in Chinese: even in the most conservative varieties like Cantonese and Minnan, the labial codas were changed to dental codas. But in Korean, the labial codas were kept. -- ran (talk) 20:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- I have copied the sentence from where you have mentioned.
- Unlike McCune-Reischauer, aspirated consonants (ㅋ, ㅌ, ㅍ, ㅊ) have no apostrophe: k, t, p, ch. Their unaspirated counterparts (ㄱ, ㄷ, ㅂ, ㅈ) are written with letters that are voiced in English: g, d, b, j.
Keep reading the same article:
- However, all consonants that are pronounced as unreleased stops (which basically means all except ㄴ, ㄹ, ㅁ, ㅇ that are not followed by a vowel or semivowel) are written as k, t, p, with no regard to their morphophonemic value: 벽 → byeok, 밖 → bak, 부엌 → bueok (But: 벽에 → byeoge, 밖에 → bakke, 부엌에 → bueoke)
-- ran (talk) 20:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any more questions about my edits? -- ran (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- That is weird romanization. You have correctly edited. ^^
It might seem weird to reply to a discussion 11 years ago but I still want to point out that labial codas in characters with labial onsets were kept in languages like Hakka and Teochow nowadays -- they were not completely lost in Chinese...--我輩は犬である (talk) 04:37, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
North Korean usage
I heard that in North Korea Hanja were almost completely wiped out, and nearly all korean texts were written entirely in Hangul. The article should make a mention of that --Anon
- It does. Quote from article: "Officially, Hanja have not been in use in North Korea since 1949." --Menchi 06:08, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- It's not. They still learn and use a lot. Like 수령(首領). They reversed hanja policy in 1953 and decleared again in 1963. Article: * Ask a North Korean: How many North Koreans read Chinese characters?