Talk:Hanabie.

Should solo collaborations by band members be added to the article?

The band's lead singer has collaborated with other artists, should/could that be mentioned in the article? Lucems (talk) 17:10, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Generally, solo endeavours of group members are not noted in band pages. IceBergYYC (talk) 21:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: This is a very impressive first article, well laid out and illustrated, great work there. The article does require some copyediting, work on neutral POV. as well as additional citations for claims in certain places. I have marked these where I have seen them. Keep up the good work

IceBergYYC (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Style question

The article features a lot of sentences that start with something like "In June 2021," or "In August 2022". Is the addition of the year really necessary in these instances, or can it be removed in case the year in question is obvious from the chronological order of the article? DragonFury (talk) 12:58, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Year should remain for clarity. IceBergYYC (talk) 15:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Should the copy edit template be removed?

Much of the article has been copy edited since the templated was added. Can the edit template be removed?

If issues still persist then any pointers to what those issues and which sections have those issues would be very helpful to improve the article. Lucems (talk) 14:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Question about paragraph structures.

There are one-line paragraphs towards end of 'History' section. Should they be merged into a single paragraph?

Edit: Moved this section to more appropriate place. 14:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Should the reason of the band's transition from being a cover band be mentioned on the article?

In an interview view the band's Guitar's has mentioned the reason why the band transitioned from being a cover band and started writing original songs has been mentioned. Source:https://youngguitar.jp/interviews/matsuri-hanabie-2022-part1https://youngguitar.jp/interviews/matsuri-hanabie-2022-part1

She said they avoided because they thought that it would be too hard. Eventually they got frustrated and decided to write their own heavy songs which matched their current skill level, and that how they started writing original music. Is this relevant enough to be mentioned in the article or will it cause fan POV issues. Lucems (talk) 15:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Caption and main body don't line up

In the section 2017–2019: First mini album, band contests, indie career it states "In August, they took part in the national band competition called "School Out,", where they finished as national runners-up." and a little further in the section it states "In August, the band entered the Japan Expo Rock contest and made it to the finals, becoming the only teenage band to do so." Both statements are sourced so I have no reason to doubt those. But in the caption for the image it states: "Hanabie. were runners-up in 'School Out' band contest and the only teenage band to do so". My Japanese isn't good enough to read the sources so I don't know which is correct. Also, The image in question doesn't seem to be from either competition, so I don't know if the caption is even appropriate. Can someone who can read Japanese please sort this one out?DragonFury (talk) 21:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

These two sentences are not contradictory. The months are same but the years are different. Reading the line prior would give context to the dates.

"In August, they took part in the national band competition called "School Out,", where they finished as national runners-up."

"In August, the band entered the Japan Expo Rock contest and made it to the finals, becoming the only teenage band to do so"

Here are the same lines with previous lines included:

"In July 2017, Boa officially joined the band, having previously performed as a support drummer. In August, they took part in the national band competition called "School Out,", where they finished as national runners-up."

"In January 2018, they participated in their first three-man live event with Oshamegane and Wacality at "Shinjuku Antiknock.". In August, the band entered the Japan Expo Rock contest and made it to the finals, becoming the only teenage band to do so."

The years are 2017, and 2018 respectively. In case it is felt that the information is not conveyed properly leading to confusion, I suggest that those two sentences be re-written. As mentioned, the information is sourced from multiple sources, all of which can be found in references section. And I can provide more sources if it is needed to establish the accuracy of the information.

The image in question is from School's Out band contest 2017. Here is a video from of the same performance: 花冷え。 - スクールズアウト2017決勝大会 - YouTube.

The outfits, equipment, equipment placement, the stage, and the background make it obvious that it is from the same performance. However, this may be perceived to be going into the realm of own research, and hence if it is still felt by fellow editors believe it to be problematic, it should be removed.

The caption states "...becoming the only teenage band to do so.". That does not line up with what is stated in the cited sources, I suggest it should be removed. Lucems (talk) 05:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

The second line of the lead section causing technical issues.

The following like from is the lead section of article is not being displayed properly on pop up preview windows (the ones which pop up when you put your cursor on a link):

The band consists of Yukina (vocals), Matsuri (guitar, vocals), Hettsu (bass) and Chika(drums).

The roles in the brackets in not being displayed for one of the member while being displayed for others.

I suggest that the line should be re-written into something like:

The band consists of vocalist Yukina, guitarist Matsuri, bassist Hettsu and drummer Chika. Lucems (talk) 09:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

That would be inline with the lead section of other articles, go for it I say. DragonFury (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! The issue seems to be solved now. The roles are being displayed properly! Lucems (talk) 11:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Under which section should the media appearances by the band be listed?

The band's songs have been used in Japanese TV shows which is already mentioned on the Japanese version of the article. The band has also appeared on CTV talk show Roomic and featured on the cover of various well known music magazine, should these be mentioned on the article and under which section? Lucems (talk) 17:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Harajukucore

This is the name of the genre Hanabie use to describe themselves, and it's pretty self explanatory to fans of Japanese music, yet it isn't mentioned in this article at all. Someone should fix that, and perhaps add the brief explanation required for those with no knowledge of the Harajuku region or why this would relate to Hanabie. 71.94.34.51 (talk) 20:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

While multiple sources mention the term "harajuku-core', I am not sure if it can be mentioned as a genre in the article according to Wikipedia guidelines. Opinions of more experienced editors will be needed before it can be listed a genre. Lucems (talk) 12:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has enough issues with people just adding whatever genre they can think of to a band's infobox without also adding genre the band made up themselves. The term harajuku-core is described in plenty of detail in the main body of text already.DragonFury (talk) 16:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Agreed! Adding Harajuku-core to the info box may also further lead to addition of other 'made-up' genres. It would be better if the genres listed in the info box is limited to 'recognized' genres.

Also, there are some issues with the term 'harajuku-core' and how it is described in the article. Since the topic is up for discussion, a consensus on those should be formed as well.

The issues are:

1. There is a minor discrepancy between how the term Harajuku-core is described in the lead section of the article and what is mentioned in the cited sources. The article states "They are known for combining loud have combining loud and heavy music with contrasting Harajuku aesthetics in a style self-described as Harajukucore". While the sources mention Hanabie being Harajuku-core, but none of them explicitly say that they are 'known for' it. Furthermore, the word "self-described" also does not find any direct references as no sources state "Hanabie call themselves Harajuku-core" or something similar. The term itself was used by people commenting on their YouTube videos and was later adopted by the band (Source, and Headbang Magazine interview). Should the sentence be re-written to address these issues?
2. Many Japanese sources describe the term as combination of metalcore, hardcore and Akihabara culture including the band's official artist page on Sony music Japan's website. Should the word "Harajuku aesthetics" in the lead section of the article be replaced with "Akihabara culture" or "Japanese Culture" or contemporary Japanese culture in order to comply with WP:DUE as the sources mentioning as such seems to be more numerous. I am not listing all the sources here now to save some time but will do so if this particular is discussed further. It should also be noted that while sources using that definition are more numerous, it seems that in most cases it was simply copied from the band's website or press releases as they all use the exact same wording.
3. The term Harajuku-core has both musical and non-musical elements to it. Due to the later, I have mentioned in under 'Image' section. But the musical aspect of the term has also been discussed at some length in the band's interviews published in Headbang Magazine and Tokion, Should the term be described in terms of it's musicals aspects under the "musical style' section.
4. Does the term 'Harajuku-core' deserve a separate section or sub-section in the article?

Lucems (talk) 07:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Need for a consensus on the definition.

I just noticed that the definition in the lead section has been changed to 'nu metalcore' from the previous 'metalcore'. The inline citation however has not been changed and no new sources have been cited. There have been previous edits which changed the definition to 'kawaii metal' and 'heavy metal'. Hence, there is a need to build consensus on the matter.

The main issue with defining Hanabie is the lack of unanimity among media outlets and critics. The most common descriptions of the band include: 'loud rock', metal, metalcore, and Harajuku-core. I will go over each of these if brief.

Loud Rock - This is a common term used by Japanese media to describe Hanabie (for example this Billboard Japan article). This is also how the band has rereferred to itself throughout their existence and continue to do so. I believe this is the most accurate way to define them. However. the term is a pseudo anglicism and might be confusing for wider reader base. (Japanese Wikipedia article on Loud Rock).

Metal - There generic term metal have often been used by various publication, especially non-Japanese ones though it's rarely used in Japanese sources. Something to note here is that the band's guitarist has stated "No, I think in our case, calling our music “metal” is quite misleading" (source: Interview with HANABIE., the “Harajuku Core” Girls Metal Band in the Global Spotlight, Part 2 - TOKION). Though what band members say can't be used as a source for Wikipedia articles I am just including to add some context.

Metalcore - Another common term used for Hanabie in various publications ( Wall of Sound, Kerrang, Rolling Stones Japan, Asia Blooming). The term been used to label their music CDs. Hanabie's official artist page on Sony Music Japan's website defines Hanabie's music as a combination of metalcore and hardcore with Akihabara culture.

In my opinion, 'loud rock' is the most accurate description if the band, and the Japanese version of the article also uses the term to define them. If due to obvious reasons that isn't possible then the term 'metalcore' or 'metalcore / hardcore punk' should be used. If neither of those are possible then the generic term 'Rock' should be used as it is an umbrella term which more or less covers all aforementioned descriptions of Hanabie. Lucems (talk) 11:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)