Talk:Hanabi (card game)
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Discuss conventions and strategy?
[edit]There are a variety of convention systems that humans use when playing Hanabi. If somebody wants to add some information about convention systems to this article, this forum post links to primary sources documenting most of the prominent ones.
There are also various conventions that are common across systems and might deserve attention. For example, many systems use a concept of a "chop card" which is the next card a player will discard.
There are also convention-agnostic strategy concepts in Hanabi, such as
- Calculating "pace" (how many discards the team can make and still get a perfect score) using the number of cards left in the deck, the number of players, and the current score
- The fact that discarding a useful card represents a "bottom-deck risk"; if the second copy is on the bottom of the deck, a perfect score will be impossible.
Could all this information just be added to the article? Timotree3 (talk) 05:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Timotree3 Wikipedia articles are based on content from reliable secondary sources. If there are reliable sources (e.g. magazines, news articles) which cover these concepts, then we absolutely can add them to the article! If not, we should leave them out. None of the links in the post you linked look to be reliable secondary sources - do you know of any covering these tactics? Sam Walton (talk) 09:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- I do not know of any secondary sources covering Hanabi strategy. It's a bit technical and specific for newspaper coverage, but my understanding is that primary sources can be enough to back up certain kinds of content. For example the page Chess strategy uses entirely primary sources. I understand that to back up a claim like "most Hanabi players use a chop convention" would require stronger sources, but to back up a claim like "the strategy of discarding from a predictable slot has been discussed on online and referred to as 'chop' since at least 2013" would seem to only require a link to a primary source doing so in 2013. If there is a question as to whether discussion of Hanabi strategies meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, I would assume that if the game meets its guidelines, at least some discussion of its strategy does too. Also, note that Hanabi strategy writing has not been only self-published, e.g. How to Make the Perfect Fireworks Display. Timotree3 (talk) 05:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Timotree3 That JSTOR article looks great and I would encourage you to use it as much as possible when writing about this :) Sam Walton (talk) 09:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- I do not know of any secondary sources covering Hanabi strategy. It's a bit technical and specific for newspaper coverage, but my understanding is that primary sources can be enough to back up certain kinds of content. For example the page Chess strategy uses entirely primary sources. I understand that to back up a claim like "most Hanabi players use a chop convention" would require stronger sources, but to back up a claim like "the strategy of discarding from a predictable slot has been discussed on online and referred to as 'chop' since at least 2013" would seem to only require a link to a primary source doing so in 2013. If there is a question as to whether discussion of Hanabi strategies meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, I would assume that if the game meets its guidelines, at least some discussion of its strategy does too. Also, note that Hanabi strategy writing has not been only self-published, e.g. How to Make the Perfect Fireworks Display. Timotree3 (talk) 05:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)