Talk:Hamilton, Ohio/Archive 1

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request for photo of burned house, racial incident, July 2005

Are there any Wikipedians who live near Hamilton and a copylefted image of the house that was burned down in the recent racial incident? I'd like to have some recent material to add to the Ku Klux Klan article, showing that, unfortunately, the Klan is not a thing of the past :-( --Bcrowell 21:00, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I live in Hamilton, but I haven't heard of the incident you mentioned. Could you give me an address for said house? If so, then I can borrow a digital camera, take a picture of the house and upload it. - Riggermantis 16:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction?

Hamilton is a city in rural Butler County, yet it is the number one Urban school district? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.130.33 (talk) 13:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hamilton or Hamilton!

As is mentioned in the article, the city legally changed it's name to Hamilton! in the 80s. Although it never gained wide acceptance on maps and so forth, it was never repealed and is therefore still the official name of the city, so shouldn't we move the article to reflect this? One problem, normally a city name would have a comma after it before the name of the state, but Hamilton!, Ohio looks pretty weird. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Since no one has ever commented on this, I'm going to go ahead and move the page. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

A very stupid arguement, to change a citys name !!! Could someone check this more intense, please- Thx 83.99.7.164 (talk) 20:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's the point you seem to have missed: I didn't change the name of the city to include the exclamation point, the city council of Hamilton did. I think it's pretty stupid too, but it is in fact legally named Hamilton!. The suggestion to rename the article was up on this page for four months with no comment whatsoever from anyone so I went ahead and did it. If you have a reliable source indicating that this is no longer the legal name of the city then please bring it forward. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi. After a discussion here, another member checked that either the city`s homepage, nor Butler County the County Homepage, is calling the city that way. You can also check the Hamilton Municipal Court, or the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce, and as well the USGS, and last but not least the US-Census. What else do you need ? Gary Dee 88.207.223.115 (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You link goes to a page in German that says the page requested is not available so I can't see that discussion, but it really doesn't matter anyway. Each Wikipedia makes it's own decisions, this is the appropriate place for a discussion of the fate of the English Wikipedia page on Hamilton. Feel free to ask for a third opinion or seek any other form of dispute resolution that you feel is needed.

The article and the source used make it clear that it is no longer in widespread use but it is in fact the official legal name of the city. They probably don't use it much anymore because they are (rightfully) embarrassed at having engaged in such a cheap ploy for publicity, which they did get an awful lot of at the time. Unfortunately that was in 1986 so most of those reports are not going to be available online. For whatever reason they never changed it back despite not really using it anymore. What we need here is not a demonstration that it is not in widespread use, which as I said is clearly stated in the article, but evidence that it was legally changed back to exclude the exclamation point. I used to live in in Corryville, Cincinnati and absolutely nobody who lives or works there calls it Corryville, it's locally considered part of Clifton along with the the "CUF" neighborhoods. Many people who have lived there for years are unaware that they don't "really" live in Clifton, and the local press always refers to the entire area as "Clifton," but we still acknowledge the official, legal designations here. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

So just go to the german article, and click the discussionlink, but i guess you dont understand german, so it really doesn't matter anyway. Much better would have been a REDIRECT to the city, despite that i wont believe that any of the linked interwiki will follow that path, as there does not seem any evidence of changing into Hamilton! . And that once more, it really doesn't matter anyway. Nice day. --88.207.223.115 (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You know, being condescending and putting on an air of smug superiority is really not the way to persuade others of the rightness of your view. As it happens I did find the page and ran it through a machine translator and saw that it says what you claimed, but as a discussion a completely different website it's not relevant here. Your latest remark seems to suggest you don't really care anyway, so I am wondering why we had this discussion at all. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Little League World Series

West Side Little League in Hamilton, Ohio has been to the Little League World Series four times. Little Leaguers from Hamilton have made the trip to Willamsport in 1991, 1993, 2007, and 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.9.5.191 (talk) 05:11, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Notable person William Allen's birthplace

His page (William Allen (congressman)) says that he was born near Hamilton, but this page lists him as being born in downtown Hamilton. I'm just curious as to the discrepancy because there is only one downtown Hamilton, and it should be pretty clear ? whether he was born there or not. The Biographical Directory of the US Congress that is linked from Allen's page is where the near Hamilton came from. I just wanted to bring this up in case anyone definitively knows where Allen was born. 174.100.47.130 (talk) 07:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 March 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 21:37, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Hamilton, Ohio → Hamilton!, Ohio – As indicated in the article this is actually the city’s official, legal name. While with most subjects we use common names, it seems that in practice geographic place names in the United States are generally always at the legally defined name. This was discussed, sort of, eight years ago. (see above) The page was moved, and then a drive-by editor moved it back without discussion and did not reply to comment on their talk page about it, and I guess I just forgot about it. It would be good if there was a clear consensus on this one way or another. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Oppose. Policy is to use common names, not official names, but in any case the city itself does not seem to use the mark[1]. The article says, "The exclamation point is generally no longer used". Station1 (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Oppose – As per WP:NCGN, we use "widely accepted names", not (necessarily) legal ones. In relation to the United States specifically, it says, "The United States Board on Geographic Names determines official Federal nomenclature for the United States. Most often, actual American usage follows it". The BGN entry for Hamilton omits the exclamation mark, so it isn't officially recognised as part of the name by the US government, and the article itself demonstrates it isn't in common use either. Jellyman (talk) 20:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Oppose, the cities website doesn't use the '!' as its public name. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Uhhh...no.[2] — AjaxSmack 02:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Oppose. The city itself doesn't use the exclamation point, the BGN doesn't use the exclamation point, the Census Bureau doesn't use the exclamation point, the postal service doesn't use the exclamation point... at this point, aside from the legal definition, I doubt anyone still uses the exclamation point. We shouldn't become an outlier. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 12:58, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Speedy close WP:SNOW In ictu oculi (talk) 17:34, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I’m not sure four opposes in the first 24 hour is quite enough to call it a snowball. To be clear though, all I was looking for here was a consensus one way or the other since we never had one, if an uninvolved user feels they see one and this should be closed already, so be it. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:35, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

That was the 5th Oppose, 6th below, please close. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Oppose. It is a silly joke styling that is best ignored, as most do. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Oppose. Pure gimmick and not the common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:02, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Speedy Close per SNOW - Not happening and never will. –Davey2010^Talk 19:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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