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A fact from Hallucinogenic fish appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 November 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Sarpa salpa (pictured) is a hallucinogenic fish that was used as a recreational drug during the Roman Empire?

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ICD-10

What is the specific ICD-10 code for delirium, secondary to ingestion of/intoxication by hallucinogenic fish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.130.138.148 (talk) 07:36, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DMT?

..Joe Roberts, a photographer for the National Geographic magazine. He broiled the dream fish in 1960. After eating the delicacy, he experienced intense hallucinations with a science-fiction theme that included futuristic vehicles, images of space exploration, and monuments marking humanity's first trips into space.

In the literature, the anecdotal science fiction theme experience is associated more with psilocybin and less with DMT. Viriditas (talk) 10:11, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Legal/controlled status?

Info on the legality of hallucinogenic fish consumption (preferably two tables or one re-sortable table: one table organized by fish and listing for each where it is illegal and the other organized by jurisdiction and listing which fish are illegal in each) would be nice. 96.36.104.238 (talk) 18:58, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i have been poisoned with dream fish liver and puffa fish liver these poisons are used by Indian brain washing cults..there has been a lot of research on puffa fish liver...but little or none on dream fish liver..there are no symptoms with puffa fish liver for 48 hours after the poisoning because the spores of the fungus that produces TTX neurotoxin take 48 hours to activate in the gut...on this token because i had no symptoms after being poisoned with dream fish liver for 48 hours..i there for conclude that the dream fish liver hallucinogen is caused by a toxin produced by a fungus..that is the only explanation for the 48 hour delay in symptoms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.51.6 (talk) 21:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DREAM FISH LIVER IS AN OCCULT POISON

[redacted a whole bunch of crazy by now-blocked editor, some of which accused living people of crimes or being victims of crimes.\it would be infinitely more honest to state that a swine with a very low IQ has consumed a pearl (redaction by Floquenbeam (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC))]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mad666paul (talk • contribs) 08:44, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A core Wikipedia policy is that article contributions should be verifiable, that is, you should be able to cite them with independent and reliable sources. Otherwise they can be rejected as original research. If you can support your statements with appropriate reliable sources then it would okay to add them to the article. Otherwise it would not. --Epipelagic (talk) 17:08, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Psychedelic fish

The "psychedelic fish" section is totally off topic, I deleted it and it was reintroduced. To conflate a clinically and scientifically valid phenomenon (fish that cause hallucination via a yet-unknown mechanism) with unrelated fish that possess NO PSYCHOACTIVITY but rather a pattern of coloration that is reminiscent of the patterns depicted in psychedelic art is absurd. This is entirely analogous to adding a section to the "list of psychoactive plants" entry for plants that possess flowers and leaves that are colorful and reminiscent of drug induced visual hallucinations, it makes no sense. If such an entry should exist (I don't think it should) it certainly should NOT be lumped with the hallucinogenic fish entry as they describe something that is fundamentally different.Glucuronide (talk) 06:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The term "hallucinogenic fish" can describe fish that can cause hallucinogens or fish that look like hallucinogens, and it is entirely appropriate to distinguish them. --Epipelagic (talk) 00:14, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by "fish that look like hallucinogens", what does a hallucinogen look like? Virtually all classical hallucinogens are colorless crystalline solids, none of these fish resemble colorless crystalline solids. The word hallucinogenic is used to describe things (virtually always drugs) that cause hallucinations. Here's the OED's definition: "A drug which causes hallucinations". The suffix -gen means to beget, be born, become, etc. Thus the word hallucinogenic cannot be (correctly) used to describe a fish that does not cause hallucination. You were actually using the word psychedelic, which is a step in the right direction, but is still off topic. I admire the rest of the entry and appreciate your thoroughness, but of the three fish you selected as representative "psychedelic fish" only one has a substantial connection to the word "psychedelic". I'm aware you cited the claim but if you are going to list every fish that has ever been described with the adjective "psychedelic" the entry would be very long.Glucuronide (talk) 06:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I meant "hallucination". --Epipelagic (talk) 08:59, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The section should indeed be removed. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, see WP:NOT#DICDEF. If you want to distinguish the two topics you do it by first creating an article on the topic of "psychedelic fish" and then put a hat note template on each page linking the two articles together. The solution is never "append the alternate definition to the existing article". Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[ᴛ] 07:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand what your point is. Of course Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a dictionary. But what has that to do with distinguishing hallucinogenic fish from psychedelic fish? The section is there because these two terms can be confusing, so they need clarifying and contrasting. Fish that look like psychedelic paintings are often referred to as psychedelic fish, while fish that can give you hallucinations if you eat them are often called hallucinogenic fish. That's an entirely valid encyclopediac elaboration, and to omit making that point in the article would be remiss. You don't need permission if you want to write an article on psychedelic fish. You can just go ahead and write it (though the topic may not be notable enough to warrant an article of it's own). With or without a separate article on psychedelic fish, the article on hallucinogenic fish will still warrant a section contrasting and drawing the distinction between these two related but easily confused concepts. — Epipelagic (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]