Talk:Halloumi/Archive 1

Archive 1

POD & Halloumi

I think it may be better to have another article talking about the "Cyprus POD halloumi" if some users insist to restrain this Middle Eastern cheese to one geographical place there. I'm quite sure that this type of cheese is prepared all over the Middle East in the same scale of it in Cyprus. Having a POD is kind of commercial thing. This is Wikipedia, not the WTO. And in the halloumi case, it is only in USA. Thus, should still having some users insist to restrain the origin and name's translation, disturb the title and content of the article, it may be better to separate this article to "Halloumi" and "Cyprus POD halloumi".

The POD thing is already mentioned within, and clearly saying it is only in US. No need to suppress telling the origin of this cheese. Otherwise, we may create articles also about the Lebanese halloumi, Syrian halloumi, Palestinian halloumi and Turkish halloumi... etc!!! Ralhazzaa (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Your point is? Scott Anafas (talk) 03:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

removed text

I've removed some of the text:

Cypriots like eating halloumi with watermelon in the warm months. No Cypriot meze menu would be complete without halloumi and lounza. This dish is simply a combination of halloumi cheese and either a slice of smoked pork, or a soft lamb sausage (opinion appears to differ on which is the true lounza) simply layered one on top of the other and then grilled. Halloumi is also often used in bacon sandwiches, but also makes a satisfying dish on its own or with salad.

The very best halloumi is that made from unpasteurised sheep and goats milk. Many people still make this, but not in any quantity, so it really is an occasional treat. Many people also like halloumi that has been aged, it is much dryer, much stronger and much saltier. It is easy to find this much better product in specialist shops, It is kept in its own brine, and you usually have to ask for it. Halloumi from a packet is just not the same thing at all.

I've put it here, because I don't want to just chuck it, but the claims about "this is the best" aren't encyclopaedic. If it can be turned into something more appropriate (cited, less subjective), I'd be happy to see much of it back in there. Pseudomonas_(talk) 12:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I have put the paragraph back

But have taken out the bits about a lovingly made artisan cheese being a better product than that made by a machine en mass. If others feel that that is innapropriate, then i will comply and leave them to chew on their tasteless squeeky cheese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspury (talk • contribs) 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

and what the hell

is this doing in the greek section of anything, and why is there a link to greek cheeses on the page. outside cyprus and the levant, Halloumi is just not part of the food culture —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspury (talk • contribs) 22:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Arabic

From Mukhtar al-Sehah dictionary for Arabic synonyms by Muhammad ibn Zakariya ar-Razi (865-925 A.D), the word Halloum appeared as follows:

Arabic: الحَالُومُ لبن يُغلظ فيصير شبيها بالجبن الرطب وليس به Translation: The word Halloum (Arabic:الحَالُومُ ) means milk or yogurt that is thickened until it became similar to wet cheese.

Available also online at: http://www.alburaq.net/mukhtar/root.cfm Then enter the root word حلم

Many Arabic to Arabic dictionary are also available at: http://www.fadakbooks.com/ardia.html

I hope this helps

Regards

Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.162.221 (talk) 23:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I also found this in another classical Arabic dictionary called مقاييس اللغة by ابن فارس ibn Faris (d. 395 AH/1004 CE):

الحالُوم: شيء شبيه بالأَقِط وما أُراه عربياً صحيحاً

Translation: Haloum, something similar to Iqt [dried yoghurt or milk], and I do not see [the word] is a proper Arabic word.

So Ibn Faris shows that the word was used along time ago in Arabic, but he suggests it is not of Arabic origin. It would nice to add these old sources to the article (but I can't be bothered).--Aa2-2004 (talk)

Also, Iqt today is also called Jameed.--Aa2-2004 (talk)

Holy citations, Batman!

i removed citation request for 'traditionally not pasteurized [citation needed]'. this is a no brainer. any cheese that predates the process of pasteurization is not traditionally pasteurized. The process wasnt invented until 1862, about 3 years before american civil war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.254.215 (talk) 15:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no need whatsoever to give seven citations for the statement "Halloumi is a traditional Cypriot cheese" and six for "Halloumi cheese originated in Cyprus". I've trimmed down to two in each case. The removed citations for the former were

<ref>{{cite book |author= Hemme, Dorothee - Tauschek, Markus – Bendix, Regina - Göttinger Institut für Kulturanthropologie/Europäische Ethnologie |title= Prädikat"heritage": Wertschöpfungen aus kulturellen Ressourcen |publisher= LIT Verlag Berlin-Hamburg-Münster |year= 2007 |page= 367 |isbn= 382589892X |quote= Cypriot traditional food product, the halloumi cheese, that has made the transition from local food to European product }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author= Shulman, Martha Rose |title=Mediterranean Harvest |publisher=Rodale |year=2007 |page=21 |isbn=1594862346 |quote=Haloumi: This is a Cypriot cheese that is also popular in Turkey, Greece, and throughout the Arab world }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author=International Food Information Service |title=Dictionary of food science and technology |publisher=Wiley-Blackwell |year= |page=178 |isbn=1405125055 |quote=Halloumi cheese Cypriot hard stretched curd cheese made from ewe, goat or cow milk. Similar to Mozzarella cheese, and used in cooking }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author = Fox, Patrick F. |title= Cheese: Chemistry, Physics and Microbiology (Major Cheese Groups) |publisher= Springer |year= 1999 |page=440 |isbn= 0834213397 |quote= Halloumi is the principal cheese traditionally made in Cyprus. It is a semi- hard cheese preserved in brine and made from sheep's milk. }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author= Dew, Philip – Reuvid, Jonathan - Consultant Editors |title= Doing Business with the Republic of Cyprus |publisher= GMB Publishing Ltd |year= 2005 |page=46 |isbn= 1905050542 |quote= Cyprus has managed to secure EU recognition of halloumi as a traditional cheese of Cyprus ; therefore no other country may export cheese of the same name }}</ref>

and, for the latter:

<ref>{{cite book |author= Anthony Telford |title= The kitchen hand: a miscellany of kitchen wisdom |publisher= Allen & Unwin |year= 2003 |page=112 |isbn= 1865088900 |quote= HALOUMI is a white, semi-hard sheep's cheese, originally from Cyprus now made the world over. }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author= Kummer, Corby (INT) |title= 1,001 Foods to Die For |publisher= Andrews McMeel Publishing |year= 2007 |page=604 |isbn= 0740770438 |quote= Halloumi A semi-hard white cheese made with either sheep's or goat's milk, halloumi originally comes from Cyprus, although much of it is also made in Greece }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author= Harron, Hallie | title= Cheese Hors D'Oeuvres |publisher= Harvard Common Press |year= 2008 |page= 38 |isbn= 1558323716 |quote= The salty halloumi cheese hails from Cyprus }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author= Marchetti, Domenica – Meppem, William |title=The Glorious Soups and Stews of Italy |publisher=Chronicle Books |year=2006 |page= 145 |isbn= 0811848175 |quote=Halloumi cheese, which originated in Cyprus, is usually made from goat's milk, or a mixture of goat's and sheep's milk, and a touch of mint }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author= Martinez, Laura |title= The Everything Cheese Book: From Cheddar to Chevre |publisher= Everything Books |year= 2007 |page=206 |isbn= 1598692526 |quote= Haloumi is from Cyprus and is usually made from a combination of sheep's and goat's milk }}</ref>

Dricherby (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Why were the citations removed?, they seem to meet the criteria for WP:RS, I restored them. There is no justification for removing uncontroversial citations, infact removing sourced material is a serious violation of Wikipedia policy and constitutes WP:Vandalism

Vilhelanz (talk) 12:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Canadian hallomi?

I removed this text:

Halloumi is also registered in Canada as "Hallomi" without the "U" due to a dispute with a dairy producer in Canada. http://www,squidoo.com/halloumi most factual ingredients sites will verify this

which was broken anyway, and for the central claim of which I can find no reliable reference or evidence other than the squidoo page cited (the link can't be written out properly as it is a blacklisted spam site). If this were true you would have thought that there would be some evidence that the word hallomi was used in Canada - there is none I can find. Naturenet | Talk 12:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Old comment

hey ..i possess a diary products factory and halloumi these days appear yellow from the inside and some time some brown dots appear in it,...why?

Because: Halloumi is folded over mint leaves, which sometime leave a brown/ yellow stain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmioannou (talk • contribs) 17:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Although there are different opinions regarding the origin of the word, halloumi/hellim and before the known sides of Cyprus start to use this delicious white and innocent thing as a source of their everlasting nonsense arguments over… well, everything, let us have a look at what Kyriakos Hadji-Ioannou says of this white stuff in his Etymological dictionary of the spoken Cypriot dialect (1996). Hadji-Ioannou suggests that the word is originally derived from the Arabic word “khllum”, which means cheese and further claims that the product goes back to Egypt where it was initially made. The words hallom in Iraq, helloum in Lebanon and halloum in Syria are some other dialectic variations[1][2] Please keep Turkmenistan, Kazakistan, Byzantine, Ottomans, invasions, politics and etc. out of this food and its origins. Till this very day, hellim/halloumi managed to remain clean of politics and other artificial substances. I intend to remember it as the delicious white cheese that goes along with a plate of cold watermelon in summer evenings, or the white stuff in a nice sandwich. However, if your intensions are still to use it for politics, then leave this one at least to work towards unification and peace and not towards hatred and internet wars. Finally, it is my wish that whatever this food is called, it does not get the dirts of anyone's politics on it. I hope it is not too late Thanks...

--Simal 23:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

My first Wiki Edit

I uploaded the photo of the grilled halloumi cheese for a school assignment. Pretty and yummy. Hmioannou (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the picture. I have just been looking for a picture of grilled hellim which has not been overcooked. --Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 16:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

brings back memories

Some of the happiest days of my life were spent in Cyprus when I was in my 20s. And some of my happiest moments in Cyprus were spent eating grilled halloumi. It may be my alltime favorite food ... well, at least right up there with tiramisu.

Cypriot food was fantastic generally, by the way. Anytime I go to a store with a large deli counter, halloumi is always the first thing I look for, even 35 years later, and so far I have always been disappointed. It sounds like that might hopefully change soon. Meanwhile, puleeze bring back the photo of the grilled halloumi again!70.253.86.235 (talk) 06:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Halloumi and why it is a Cypriot ancient product.

If we take the word HALLOUMI and etymologize it, the truth will appear it self. I am asking those countries who claim the origin of Halloumi, to etymologise the word Halloumi in their own language to proove if the word mean anything to their language and especially if the meaning of the word has any logicall connection with the cheese Halloumi. I am using the etymology of the word, because as deferent claimers say, the Halloumi cheese is firstly made in their place. So, its logical, their forefathers gave to the product a local name , a name from their own language. So we waiting to hear from the claimers how long back to the time the word halloumi is used in their encient language and what it mean etymologycally, Especially for the Turks claimers, i am advising them to go back to their Turkmenistan ancient language, and not to their today language as their today language is full of Greek words taken from the Greek population who never left their homes ( when the Ottoman Turks invated the Byzantine land the 13th, 14th centuries A.D.) until today and we talking for few millions of people. Everybody knows that the native language of the population of the Byzantine empire , from Greece to Efrates reaver of minus asia was the Greek language.This is history and i appologise to the Turks if this last sentence annoy some of them. I know that the majority of the Turks respect the historical realities. So, the etymology of the word HALLOUMI which word is greek and it is used only in Cyprus is the following. HA .....=the root which mean LIQUID(water and any sort of liquid)

             see - hail -in english ( halaza in greek )
             see - honey-in english = thickened liquid.
             see - Lochnest = nest with water(LAKE in SCOTTLAND)
             see - hydrotherapy

L .....=the root which mean LIQUID

             see - land- = soil surrounded with water.
             see - life- = presence of liquid
             see - lava -=the lava of the volcano=running lliquid

U .....=the root which mean TO CONCENTRATE, TO KEEP TOGETHER

             see - unify -= to keep together
             see - universe -= everything together

M .....=the root which mean to Keep, not to go

             see - memory -= what is not goin away
             see -  mine -= ie this is mine=is not going away from
                             me.

I ......-=the root which mean to expand

             see - infinite

I used greek words which are in the english language in order to be more understandable. So HALUMI in the very ancient greek language, preHomer,before the first millenium and we still using it like thousand of other words it mean: THE CONCENTRADED LIQUID ( the milk) WHICH CAN NOT GET DISOLVED = HALUMI

Thank you for reading me Theodoros Hadjichristodoulou Pafos Cyprus Τel: 00357 99675243 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Synainou (talk • contribs) 13:07, 27 October 2006.

Thank goodness that's sorted out. Naturenet | Talk 20:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This is probably the most insane thing I have ever read. Thanks! 86.40.30.106 (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)Cypriot

---

Why is it that Halloumi in North Cyprus tastes a lot better than the South, more authentic too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.19.40.239 (talk) 04:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

..because it doesn't!🤗 213.7.146.25 (talk) 14:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)