Talk:Haldia Port/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk · contribs) 18:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Magentic Manifestations (talk · contribs) 10:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Prose is largely clear; Grammar/spelling changes will be indicated on detailed review. 1. Use proper cases and singular-plural for the words. Capital letters should be used appropriately. E.g. Why only Liquified in caps? Carbon Black in caps? Propane and Butane in caps? mini bulk Carriers -- why Carriers alone in caps and not mini bulk? and so-on... Cargoes? 2. If an acronym is defined earlier, it is ok to use the same rather than repeat large phrases. Say for mini bulk carriers, mobile harbor cranes etc.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	1. All citations should be moved from the lead section. Lead shall be the summary of the article and if it is sufficiently backed by citations in the body, it is not required in the lead as per WP:LEAD Y 2. Do not re-link the same terms again and again in the article. E.g. Port of Kolkata, Hooghly River, Haldia, barges, mobile harbor cranes and a lot more
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Formatting of citations needs working; 1. No all caps for titles (#41, #45, biblio titles) Y 2. Bare URLs with no information (#5, #10 etc.) Y 3. Use appropriate citations (cite news for news only, cite web for web sources and cite journal for journals etc.) Y 4. Citations should be moved to the end of the sentence.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	There are quite a large dependency on few sources. 1. Most of the history section and some other sections is based on sources #17, #18 etc. which is based on a paper submitted for an engineering degree, which does not cite any primary sources for the information. It is not what you call a reliable secondary source. 2. There are no page numbers quoted for sources wherever applicable
	2c. it contains no original research.	There are quite a few sections which are not referenced or not quoted in the references. On dip stick, in the first section itself, "The port is situated about 121 kilometres (75 mi) north of the deep sea (Sandhead) and 40 kilometres (25 mi) inland from the Bay of Bengal by river. It is developed on the western bank of the Hooghly River at the confluence of the Hooghly and Haldi rivers in the Tamluk subdivision of Purba Medinipur district in the southern part of the state of West Bengal in eastern India." "The Haldia port is located on the eastern coast of India in the Lower Gangetic Plain which is part of a flat plain known as the Gangetic Plain; the land slope is fairly flat. ", "It is situated on alluvial plain, mainly formed from silt carried by the Hooghly and Haldi rivers"; most of the section is not part of the single source provided. "Freight trains within the dock are operated by 12 locomotives under the dock's own railway, and annual capacity of transportation of cargos is 30 million metric tonnes. This railway system has general marshalling yards and bulk handling yards. Through the rail link, the cargoes are mainly transported to the manufacturing units of the port's customers like Steel Authority of India Limited (SAIL) and NTPC etc" Again no source is quoted or the source provided does not quote most of this.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	As per earwig, it is fine
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Broadly covers the topics of interest
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Some sections carry finer additional details, but generally fine.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Fairly neutral
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Relatively stable
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Images have no issues
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Are relevant
	7. Overall assessment.	@User:খাঁ শুভেন্দু In the few sections that have been reviewed, it is found that the article needs working, particularly in terms of providing citations as there are multiple lines no valid references, unreliable sources and sources without page nos./link for quoted citations, apart from other issues. It would be better if you do a thorough re-check on the entire article based on the citations. From the comments, it might be concluded that the article fails some of the basic criteria, particularly 2b and 2c and needs to be quick failed. But I believe that discussing with the respective GA nominator to consider how the article concerned can be reworked and the changes can be made quite quickly with conscious effort, the nominator be willing. I look forward to hearing your response. @Magentic Manifestations: Thanks for starting the review. Hoping to be able to quickly resolve the issue of points 1 (1a and 1b) and 2 (2a, 2b and 2c) mentioned by you in the review. In the next few days, I will (probably) resolve the issues and inform you. খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 17:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] Hi! I am keeping this on hold for the moment. Let us see review the progress in a few days and if it is heading the right direction, let us take this forward. Please work on addressing the points and do a complete review of the article so that relevant sources are quoted for all the content. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 08:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] @Magentic Manifestations: Hi I have done the necessary work to solve the problems that were in the article. If there is any other problem, let me know, I will try to solve it as best I can. খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 08:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] @খাঁ শুভেন্দু While I appreciate your promptness, I can see that the issues still remain unaddressed. In the dipstick mentioned above, I had merely checked a few lines, even in those few, still concerns remain. For e.g. in the railway section, the last two lines are not part of the source mentioned. Page nos. for the source are mentioned as 3 and 11, whereas the entire document itself is only three pages long. Please be sure and ensure that all the lines are sourced properly as per the references provided. Also, address the formatting issues (quoted in blue). Thanks. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 09:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] @Magentic Manifestations, issues 1a-1 & 2, 1b-2 and 2a-4 have been resolved. খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 19:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] @খাঁ শুভেন্দু I am adding detailed review comments below for few sections. I appreciate your recent work on the article. But based on detailed review of the first few sections, there are quite a lot of red flags. Unfortunately, I am afraid it is a long way from meeting the GA criteria at this time and needs sufficiently more effort to address every section. I suggest you to please take these comments into consideration, work on the same. You can use WP:Peer Review and seek assistance before renominating. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 05:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

General issues

Despite your efforts of clean-up, similar issues still remain. Examples below:
1. Only Liquefied is capitalized in the acronym LPG
2. Citations in the middle of sentence #83, #91, #92 etc.
3. Re-linking of the same articles, Kolkata port in the lead itself multiple times

Lead

Generic issues:
a. Lead should consist of a summary of what is detailed in the article. In the lead section, there are content which are not part of the article and hence not sourced. (E.g. cargo handling, hinterland etc.)
b. Lead does not appropriately summarize the article. It needs expansion with essential points taken from major topics.

1.river bank of the confluence of the Haldi River and the Hooghly River. The port is located on the west bank of the Hooghly River at Haldia First few lines is itself confusing. Is the port at the confluence of the two rivers or on the west bank of Hooghly river?
2. about 121 km (75 mi) from the deep sea (sandheads), 45 kilometres (28 mi) upstream from Pilotage Station and 104 km (65 mi) downstream of Kolkata Lot of information cramped with no clarity. 125 kms from which deep sea? What pilotage station?
3. It developed in independent India in the 1960s, and officially began operations in 1977 as an associate port of the Port of Kolkata. It was developed in the 1960s..
4. DWT–vessels... what is DWT?
5. ; but the port has a maximum draft depth of 9 metres (30 ft) and can accommodate Panamax vessels up to 230 metres (750 ft) long with 40-50-percent cargo parcels. Split the line. What does "40-50-percent cargo parcels." mean?
6. The Haldia Port or Haldia Dock Complex belonging to Shyamaprasad Mukherjee Port (Kolkata) ...
a. Do not use or terms (either mention one of Haldia port or HDC).
b. In the article, use the name Kolkata Port or SPM uniformly across, do not use interchangeable names, it is confusing.
c. It is already mentioned that HDC is an associate port of SPM. it is a repetition
7. has a vast hinterland consists of West Bengal, Jharkhand, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Northeast India, .. A long list, literally all of Central/North/North East is landlocked + countries of N/B. With many ports across the coast in WB/Odisha + Bangladesh, it does not seem to be due. The statement can be worded simply as "HP is one of the ports that support the hinterland of Central, East and NE India"
8. The port mainly transports bulk cargo; according to data for the financial year 2023–24, the port was able to handle 49.54 million metric tons of cargo, most of which was transported to states like West Bengal, Jharkhand, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. In terms of bulk cargo volume, the port was India's fifth busiest port in 2023 along with Kolkata Dock System managed by Shyamaprasad Mukherjee Port (Kolkata).
a. Same repetition of states in the next sentence
b. It shoud simply be "The port handled x cargo in 2023-24 and..."
c. Again confusing last line, is the kolkata port complex fifth largest in the country? As per official data, SMP was the ninth busiest port. If Haldi is reported as a separate port, this does not warrant a mention.

Location and meteorology

1. Haldia port is 8 meters above sea eight (Spell out in words for nos.<10), port is located at x, eight ...
2. south of Kolkata Dock System by river Again a different term for the same Kolkata port
3. Same issues as mentioned in the lead on the location
4. n the Lower Gangetic Plain which is part of a flat plain known as the Gangetic Plain; the land slope is fairly flat Confusing wordings. Lower Gangetic Plain in Gangetic Plain? flat plain where land is flat?
5. Haldia has seasonal temperature variations Every place has seasonal variations, what type of climate would be better
6. Occasionally, cyclones formed in the Bay of Bengal hit the coast.[15] Average monthly rainfall is less than 50 mm from November to February under the influence of northwest monsoon The region received less rainfall (x) from the NE monsoon during ...
7. the dock is constructed by excavating the land dock was..
8. d the soil in the dock entrance basin is mainly composed of silt. Repetition of silt from the first sentence
9. Visibility in the harbor area is good throughout the year and low visibility is usually associated with heavy rains caused by the southwest monsoon. Re-linking of SW. This should rather follow monsoon in the first para.
10. On average, there are five to seven morning fogs every month from November to February. Region experiences early morning fog during ...

History

1. First para quotes no source
2. Geonkhali, 60 kilometres (37 mi) south of Kolkata, was a serious contender for Haldia Haldia was never mentioned before this. Then how will another place become a contender? Either it should talk about two potential options or Haldia should be introduced first
3.DWT ships What is DWT?
4. then Chief Minister Chief miinster of WB
5. GOvernment of WB, Haldia etc. linked multiple times
6. to some technical problems Either skip the phrase or explain the problem
7. Posthuma, DG What is DG
8. ect; dutch hydrologist Jansen, who examined river regimes. along with Dutch..
9. internationally renowned French harbor engineer Larras Full name of Larras? renowned how?
10. Due to its proximity to the Bay of Bengal, Haldia was designed in the early 1960s to accommodate large ships. In the late 1960s, the Haldia was first developed as a river port. there is no logical continuity. It again talks of events from the previous para
11. The dredged silt was deposited in low-lying land near the docks. Should come later
12. The dredging work was supposed to start in 1966 and finish in 1969, but the dredgers of the Dutch company were deployed from 1973 to 1975. what Dutch company?
13. The daily rent for dredging was fixed at ₹1.49 lakh. Daily rent for who? Then what was the earlier 2.3 cr contract for? it is a fixed contract or daily rent? and so on..

@Magentic Manifestations: Hi

Thanks for pointing out the issues through comments. I started working on the issues again.

I think you are confused about the location of the Port of Kolkata. Location of the Port of Kolkata is given below:

The official name of the Port of Kolkata is "Syama Prasad Mookerjee Port, Kolkata". This port consists of port facilities located in two different locations. The port facility located in Kolkata and its surrounding area is officially known as the Kolkata Dock System, while the port facility located in the Haldia area is officially known as the Haldia Dock Complex. That is, Port of Kolkata includes the port facilities of Kolkata and Haldia. খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I can very well understand that Haldia is as a sub port of the system, which is evident from the mention in the lead. Thanks for your clarification as well. The inconsistencies remain w.r.t. to the name or mention of the same. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]