Talk:Halal/Archive 2

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Wrong information about bans

At the moment the article states: "religious slaughter of animals being banned in Denmark, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland.[19][20]" Which is wrong. According to the sources, what was banned was the allowing of slaughtering unstunned animals. Religious rituals of slaughter are still allowed as long as the animals are stunned first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.15.14.137 (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Is this page undergoing censorship?

Where's the section about animal cruelty? This page used to have a section discussing the elements of animals cruelty. Is this page undergoing censorship washing away elements potentially ikky on western societies?

Some information in the page was/is incorrect, like claiming that there had been bans against religious slaughter of animals (only unstunned slaughter had been banned) and that the stunning of animals is permissible (some islamic groups consider it permissible, some don't). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.15.14.137 (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Origin of Halal requirements for correct Islamic practice

This Wikipedia article lists the source of Halal requirements for food as the Quran, however a number of sources state that it is from Hadith.

for example :

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"The term 'halal meat', as used these days, is one that has no Quranic support but is more a term exploited for commercial profit. The labelling of certain meat as 'halal' implies that all other meat is not halal. However, when we analyse the Quranic verses below we find that the sellers of such 'halal meat' are in fact deceiving the uninformed Muslims into believing that their meat is the only halal meat for the Muslims. It must be said that this deception is not intentional, but that these sellers themselves have been misled into that false understanding.

According to the 'halal meat' concept, an animal's meat is halal only if it is slaughtered according to the Islamic way by a Muslim butcher who utters the basmalah before slaughtering the animal. Needless to say, none of these requirements are mentioned in the Quran, nor is there a rule in the Quran that states that slaughtering is the only lawful method of killing an animal in the first place. The Quranic rule, which applies to all foods and not just the meat of animals, is to utter God's name before eating any food, and not before slaughtering the animal.

Therefore you shall eat from that upon which God's name has been pronounced, if you believe in His revelations. 6:118

The instruction in 6:118 to utter God's name is not related to slaughtering. In addition, the instruction applies to eating any food and not just the meat of animals."''

It is important that this topical subject is reported accurately. If this is a division within Islam it should be noted.

Christo.69 (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Christo.69: It's usually preferred to use secondary source rather than primary to avoid Original Research. Any suggested edits feel free to add here below to talk page or make edits to page per WP:BOLD. Shaded0 (talk) 13:10, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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Animal rights topic categories

This article is one of those that deal with animal killing, which is one of the prime animal rights issues. Having said that, categories such as "animal rights", "animal cruelties", etc. should not be removed from the article. Without these, the article would remain hidden from the view of the animal rights topics, which negates the very purpose of categorization. Not including these categories would be like listing Albert Einstein article with various categories as "German Jews", "People from Ulm", "American pacifists", etc. without including the main one, viz. "20th-century physicists" or "Nobel laureates in Physics". Rasnaboy (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Those categories could arguable be used in Dhabihah, the article about halal slaughter, but not in this one, which is about the broader topic of halal. To continue your analogy, it would be like adding "Nobel laureates in Physics" to the article Jews. Sjö (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:Sjö, for the clarification. That makes sense there. Just repeating to get my understanding right: These categories can be added to articles such as Dhabihah, Shechita, Jhatka, etc. but not Halal and Kashrut for they are the broader topics, right? Thanks again, for the explanation. Rasnaboy (talk) 04:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Vegetarian pork knuckles, etc.

Vegetarian cuisine is halal if it does not contain alcohol.

OK, but mention what if it is still shaped like, made to taste like, or named after animals. Jidanni (talk) 02:07, 5 May 2018 (UTC)