Talk:Hakkōda Mountains/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 13:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Happy to review this article.

Assessment

Lead section / infobox

• Unlink Japan (OL).
• Link caldera.
• Its peak… - ‘Its highest peak’?
• The Hakkōda Mountains are located in the Ōu Mountains… - is impossible (a mountain cannot be inside a mountain).
• The lead section is too short, and needs to be expanded to include a summary of the rest of the article, not just about the geography and the geology.

Name

• This very short section would imo be better included in the following one (see MOS:PARA for why I mention this).

Geographic setting and description

• Link moorland.
• The image showing a winter landscape also depicts ‘snow monsters’, which should be mentioned in the caption. Would a more illustrative picture such as this also be of use?
• ...the Hakkōda Mountains contain the second highest peak in Aomori Prefecture, Mount Ōdake… - appears to need a citation.
• Ref 3 (Google Maps) should be amended so it goes where you expect it to (i.e. here).
• In this part of the section, refs 3, 4 and 7 4, 5 and 8 (Google Maps) doesn’t provide the information stated in the text, and should be replaced by better references.

Looking again, I'm not sure the text about the distance is needed, and the refs only duplicate what the article's coordinates are linked to. I would edit out the text and the three refs. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Geology

• Duplicate links - Sukayu Onsen; Oirase River.
• Duplicate link - Towada.
• Link mafic, caldera; deformation (Deformation (engineering)); fumarole.
• I can’t see how Ref 12 ("GeomapNavi") verifies the text.
• Consider moving the crater image up a paragraph, so that the text in the following section reads more easily. It helps that Mount Ōdake is mentioned in the first paragraph as well.
• On 12 July 1997, three soldiers of the Japan Self-Defense Forces died after gas accumulated in the valley they were training in. - requires a citation.

N - the citation provided doesn't seem to mention the 1997 incident, it's about the young girl who was killed. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

• As of May 2020, intense fumarole activity is ongoing… - this cannot be verified by Ref 18 ("Kita Hakkoda Volcano Group") as the reference was written months ago. I would amend to ‘... was ongoing…’,

Human history

• Duplicate link - Lake Towada.
• I would take out the sentence about the Hakkōda Mountains incident, it is covered further in the article.

Outdoor recreation

• Duplicate links - Hakkōda Ropeway; Sukayu Onsen; National Route 103 and National Route 394; Hakkōda Mountains incident; Imperial Japanese Army.
• Duplicate links - Hokkaido; mountain climbing (Mountaineering).
• Ref 34 (Hiking in Japan) is a blog and so cannot be used to verify the information (see WP:BLOGS).

Ecology

• Forest Green Tree Frog and Ruddy kingfisher do not have capitals.
• The ‘Flora’ and ‘Fauna’ subsections aren’t really necessary and I would remove them.

See also

• Mount Hakkoda (film) – the film should be in italics.
• I’m unclear why Remember 11: The Age of Infinity is included here.

External links

• The second link ("Hakkodasan: National catalogue of the active volcanoes in Japan" (PDF). – Japan Meteorological Agency) should be removed as it already occurs in the References section.

On hold

Many thanks for the work you've done on this article, @Mccunicano:, I thoroughly enjoyed reviewing it, not least because the quality of the prose was so high. I'm putting it on hold for a week until 4 November, to allow time for the points I've mentioned above to be addressed. The only thing I think the article would benefit from, which it hasn't got a present, is a decent map showing the locations of the main peaks. I may able to help you there, as i enjoy producing such things. The lack of such a map doesn't imo stop the article moving to GA level. Amitchell125 (talk) 20:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Amitchell125: Hello and thank you again for conducting this review and for your kind remarks. I've addressed several of your concerns as you laid out above. I'm curious as to how you think I could best address the content that is currently supported by the Google Maps references? Thank you for the offer of making a map of the peaks, that would be a huge boon to the article! ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 04:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Mccunicano: I've not yet crossed out the outstanding issues. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Amitchell125:, thanks for the feedback. The "geomapnavi" reference provides a date for the age of the rock in the caldera. Everything else that you haven't crossed out already should be addressed now. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 08:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Nearly there, one point remaining I think. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: The 1997 event is covered (mostly) in the same source. It states "今回の現場から北東約７キロの山中では１９９７年７月、訓練中の自衛隊員３人が高濃度の火山性二酸化炭素を吸って死亡" near the end of the news article. This roughly translates to "In July 1997, three SDF personnel during training died after inhaling high-concentration volcanic carbon dioxide in the mountains about 7 km northeast of the site." Though it doesn't mention the exact day mentioned in the prose. I'll try to find a reference that includes that as well, until then I'll remove the exact day. I've added a reference that mentions the training incident with the full date. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 09:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that, passing the article now. I'm working on the map, I'll get back to you if I need any advice. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for you highly-responsive review of this article and for making a map for it! It's been a pleasure. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 11:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)