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"Massacre of the French"

Should be renamed "massacre of the whites". French weren't the only whites massacred, Spanish, British and Dutch civilians present on the island were also massacred. Only a few Polish defectors were spared.

Modern Political lingo really shouldn't be in the article

At the bottom of the 5th paragraph at this part of the article - "Onset of the revolution" - it says this:

The same month, a coalition of whites and conservative free blacks and forces under French commissaire nationale Edmond de Saint-Léger put down the Trou Coffy uprising in the south

Why not just say "free blacks" and remove "conservative" from it? I checked the sources and did not see any of them use the word "conservative" either, so this comes across as original research. 2600:1700:1EC1:30C0:59FB:8F7E:ABE0:381C (talk)

There is also this further down the article, it reads like something a 5th grader would write:

One of the French columns was commanded by General Donatien de Rochambeau, a proud white supremacist and a supporter of slavery who detested the Haitians for wanting to be free. 2600:1700:1EC1:30C0:59FB:8F7E:ABE0:381C (talk)

Silencing the Haitian Revolution

A major aspect of the historiography of the French Revolution is the ‘silencing’ of the Haitian Revolution and the imperialist dimension of the French Revolution.

On the ‘silencing’ of the Haitian Revolution, Michel-Rolph Trouillot wrote Silencing the Past: Power and the Production of History.

In Tropics of Haiti, Marlene Daut wrote: “It is by now rather commonplace in academic circles to refer to the idea that the Haitian Revolution has been ‘silenced’ for the past two centuries in both scholarship and popular history.”

She also wrote, in a 2021 article published in the New York Times, “Napoleon Isn’t a Hero to Celebrate”: “...the French education system, which I taught in from 2002 to 2003, encourages the belief that France is a colorblind country with an “emancipatory history.” When French schools do teach colonial history, they routinely tout that the country was the first of the European world powers to abolish slavery.”

There is no mention of these facts in the article. Wordyhs (talk) 13:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wordyhs, I agree. The 'historiography' section in general needs a lot of filling out. — Remsense聊 13:56, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wordyhs, I've edited your addition to the lede according to WP:EPSTYLE. Feel free to check out the Manual of Style and other related resources as well if you plan on continuing to contribute to this article, I'd really like to see it improved, it's a vastly important topic. — Remsense聊 14:34, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also raised the issue in Talk:French Revolution ("Silencing the Haitian Revolution and the Imperialism of the French Revolution"). But I myself have been silenced! Wordyhs (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But I've read everything you wrote there, they clearly didn't do a very good job. Remsense聊 17:39, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change in the subsection, "French Declare Slavery Abolished", the date for the decree abolishing slavery is 29 August, 1793. This date is correct, sourced on page 129 of The Black Jacobins (itself referenced throughout the article). However, in the section "Leadership of Louverture", the date is erroneously listed as 29 August, 1792. This seems to be a simple typo of the ones digit for the year, Please change 1792 to 1793. Additionally, in the Relationship between the French and Haitian Revolutions section, subsection "Lasting Change", the decree of 4 April is described as freeing the slaves in Saint Domingue. This is incorrect, as shown above that occurred on 29 August, 1793. The decree of 4 February declared already-free blacks and whites would have equal rights in Saint-Domingue (from the page for Etienne Polverel, this is confirmed by Stein, Robert. "Revolution, Land Reform, and Plantation Discipline in Saint Domingue". Pan American Institute of Geography and History: 177. and David., Popkin, Jeremy (1 January 2010). We are all free : the Haitian revolution and the abolition of slavery. Cambridge University Press. p. 23.). The French granted freedom to the slaves in ALL their colonies (ie, not just Saint-Domingue) on 4 April, 1794 (this is referenced in the previously-mentioned "French Declare Slavery Abolished" section, using references [70] and [71]. Please change "On 4 April 1792, The French National Assembly granted freedom to slaves in saint-Domingue." to "On April 4, 1792, The French National Assembly decreed that free blacks and whites in the colony were to have equal rights."

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, please make sure to sign your edits to talk pages. Shadow311 (talk) 16:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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add "The troops who came to Saint-Domingo from Britain had an extremely low survival rate often dying to diseases such as the Yellow Fever epidemic. To maintain strong regiments, however, the British Government would send less trained adolescents to keep numbers up. The incompetence of the new soldiers, combined with the ravaging of disease upon the army, led to a very unsuccessful campaign in Saint-Domingo." after "Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville, who was Pitt's Secretary of State for War, instructed Sir Adam Williamson, the lieutenant-governor of the Colony of Jamaica, to sign an agreement with representatives of the French colonists that promised to restore the Ancien Régime, slavery and discrimination against mixed-race colonists, a move that drew criticism from abolitionists William Wilberforce and Thomas Clarkson." ^[1] JohnOverton1 (talk) 15:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't actually see the source cited, so I'll let someone who can take a crack at this one. FWIW, here's a non-library link to the source, but it's still paywalled: [1]. PianoDan (talk) 21:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. The source was on TWL, thankfully. I edited your passage a bit and added it. Thank you for contributing. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 13:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Geggus, David. History Today 32, no. 7 (July 1982): 35. https://search-ebscohost-com.spot.lib.auburn.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pwh&AN=4867970&site=eds-live&scope=site.

[1] Geggus, David. History Today 32, no. 7 (July 1982): 35. https://search-ebscohost-com.spot.lib.auburn.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pwh&AN=4867970&site=eds-live&scope=site.

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