Talk:Habr Je'lo

Mohamed Abokor

I'd like to request for all mentions of Mohamed Abokor to be linked to Mohamed Abokor Al-Burcaawi (talk) 22:03, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. In accordance with long-standing practice and the Wikipedia manual of style, I am not linking to all uses, just the first use. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 22:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Understood, thank you👍🏾 Al-Burcaawi (talk) 05:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Karin

I'd like for mentions of Karin to be linked to Karin. Al-Burcaawi (talk) 19:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean "link the first mention of Karin to Karin, Sahil as a piped link, so it shows up as Karin"? I ask because 1) Karin is a disambiguation page and 2) you recently created Karin, Sahil. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 19:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

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Please place Template:edit extended-protected at the top of your edit request, below the "Subject/headline."

When filled out properly, it will look something like this, highlighted in green: {{edit extended-protected|Habr Je'lo|answered=no}}. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 19:28, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 December 2020

• Kite Fiqi, military leader and poet Al-Burcaawi (talk) 21:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Kite Fiqi

In the notable people section, could you add:

• Kite Fiqi - military leader and poet Al-Burcaawi (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

To editor Al-Burcaawi:  done and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 18:38, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2020

The Habr Je’lo coastal settlements and ports, stretching from Siyara in the west to Heis (Xiis) in the east, were important to trade and communication with the Somali interior. While the settlements were not as significant as the more established ports of Berbera, Zeila and Bulhar (respectively), the principle Habr Je’lo port of Karin (Kurrum) was a major market for livestock and frankincense procured from the interior,[5] and was a favorite for livestock traders due to the close proximity of the port to Aden. Habr Je’lo traders acted as middlemen to Dhulbahante livestock herders in the interior by purchasing and/or bartering their stock for export to the Aden market:

Could you link Siyara and Heis to their respective articles? Beelieeday (talk) 21:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 February 2021

Copy of edit request of 23:14, 19 February 2021‎ by Yuusuf Jaamac removed - it was basically a copy of the article. It is available in the page history here. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: I didn't realise that the page had been copied over to the talk. However after checking the difference, the addition of a redlink person as notable will not be added until they have their own article. Terasail^[✉] 00:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Terasail: You beat me to the close. Here is the diff, which I self-reverted. For those who don't want to bother looking, it's to add the following to the bottom of the "Notable figures" section:

• Sacad Axmed Xasan- Also called Sacadidiin, was known for his famous pharmacies in Burco, he also used to be the richest man in Burco after Dahabshiil and Indho deero.

As you said, no blue-link, no listing. Also, the tone of that line was way too promotional, I would have trimmed it to "Sacad Axmed Xasan - businessman" or something like that. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:19, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Davidwr: Yeah, I noticed the large page revert and that you reopened the request so I closed it as without an article or WP:RS reference provided , the person probably isn't notable. I didn't realise that you were mid closing. Terasail^[✉] 00:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I could've done a better job of communicating. All is well now. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:35, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Removal

Hi Dabaqabad; the sources I used are (a) the one published by the British War Office ([1]): and (b) the source from Jama Omar Issa. Both are reliable sources. You left an empty edit summary, as such I'm wondering if there are specific objections? Heesxiisolehh (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Heesxiisolehh:,

The issue I have is with the Jama Omar Issa source that you used. That source, as you probably know, was written in 1975 on behalf of the Ministry of Education of Somalia, at a time where Somalia was ruled by a clan-based military dictatorship. The book twists the official narrative and contradicts many sources, including the very sources it cites. The book purposefully changes and in some cases even omits info regarding Isaaq involvement, painting the Isaaqs as "British" lackeys. An example of this is in page 268 of Jama's book, he lists the British colonial head price list of remaining Dervish leaders in 1919. Jama expunged Ibrahim Gudeh and decreases the head price of Ibrahim Boghol, both members of the Isaaq/Habr Je'lo, while increasing head price of Abshir Dhoore, who's from the Darod and comes from the same wider clan as the regime at the time book was published. (see from an Italian book [2], British War Office which you claimed you cited [3] vs Jama [4]). (see also [5], full source [6])

With that fact the source ceases to be reliable as it is biased, in breach of W:Reliable sources. The vast majority of your edits are in line with that source, which is problematic to say the least. Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia and therefore sources like these can't be used.

Then is the fact that there is no such thing as a "legal tariqa", opening a tariqa does not require bureaucracy. Anyone opened a tariqa generally but by the time the movement was official in Burao the Mullah was already an enemy.

I have also been noticing that many of your edits in general in regards to Dervish history are problematic to say the least (removing sourced material that details Isaaq involvement in the Dervish movement and Dhulbahante involvement in the pro-British campm for starters), but I have always assumed good-faith. With this however, it is hard for me to continue to do so. Dabaqabad (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

The part I added is a rehash of a British intelligence report though, and as such has no bearing on how reliable or unreliable Omar Issa is. As for my usage of Somali lexicology, wikipedia or encyclopedias in general do concur with the usage of native terms if relevant to said article . Heesxiisolehh (talk) 13:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Heesxiisolehh: A "rehash" that contains many biases towards the clan of the military junta ruling Somalia at the time and which breached W:NPOV like I mentioned. That is the source you cited for your addition. Show me one British intelligence report that supports your claim.

As for native terms, again that is something that you got from that biased source I mentioned and is not mentioned in other reliable sources.

Dabaqabad (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

How are the Talja’a Somali if they’re half Arab half Harari

Sheikh Ishaq was Arab, whilst Habushed was Harari. But no Somali component Ismail7Hussein (talk) 19:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)