Talk:HMAS Creswell

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

What does HMAS mean?

If the page is called HMAS Creswell and HMAS is an acronym, what that acronym is should be spelled out. I was thinking Her Majesty's Australian Ship, but this isn't a ship; it is a "shore establishment." Her Majesty's Australian Shore establishment? Come on you Commonwealth-ers, help us out. 173.89.8.225 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:18, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is indeed "Her Majesty's Australian Ship". AFAIK British Commonwealth navies treat shore establishments like ships. Anotherclown (talk) 06:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Most shore bases in British Commonwealth navies are commissioned as ships of those navies, so HMA Ship is correct. See the article on stone frigates for more information on how this tradition started. -- saberwyn 11:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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Incorrect claims about Parliament selecting Captain's Point site on 7 Nov 1911

Article said:

On 7 November 1911, the Australian Parliament selected the site of Captain's Point in the Jervis Bay Territory on the south coast of New South Wales, near Nowra, as the site of the Royal Australian Naval College.

And as source it provided this cite: "Site for Naval College, Jervis Bay". Archives, ID: NAA: A6273 L1925/952. National Archives of Australia. (Note article actually used broken {{cite book}}, here I have replaced it with correct {{cite archive}}.)

The problem with this (1) How do we verify that cite, other than physically going to the National Archives to inspect that archived document? (2) It contradicts what the Hansard for 7 & 8 Nov 1911 says. The discussion starts at the bottom of PDF page 22 of 7 Nov Hansard and continues from PDF page 18 of 8 Nov Hansard. It is clear the government wants to build the Naval College at Sydney, but some members of the Committee want Jervis Bay instead; no binding decision was actually made, the discussion ends on the 8th with the Minister promising the government will discuss the matter further. Maybe the feedback from the Committee played a decisive role in the government changing its mind about site selection, but formally the Parliament didn't decide anything. The only thing the Committee formally decided was to reject an amendment deleting the funding for the construction from the Bill – and that decision was made on the 8th, not the 7th. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 01:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

To answer the question in general, yes you would, that's the downside with having references that are not online, seeing it may even clear up your second question. The only online refence to 'Archives, ID: NAA: A6273 L1925/952' I could find was this, specificaly on page 18. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 02:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

According to "The Royal Australian Naval College’s debt to Admiral Creswell", "On 16 November the Prime Minister, Andrew Fisher announced that Jervis Bay had been selected as the site for the proposed Naval College; a decision for which he offered no explanation." I believe that's correct. The decision was made by the Government, not by Parliament; the opposition to the Sydney proposal and support for Jervis Bay in the Estimates Committee hearings on the 7th and 8th of November no doubt was a major factor in the Government's decision, but formally it was a decision made by the Government of the day, not by the Parliament. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 07:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)