Talk:Gypsy (disambiguation)

Gypsy Is A Slur

Gypsy is a slur and there is no reason to not label it as such, including in this disambiguation. Lots of folks seem to get confused because they don't realize that not every slur is created equal. "Gypsy" should not be held to the weight as something like the n-word, because they are very very different. As a Romani man, I am telling you this now: you can say the word "gypsy." And this is the opinion of many of other Roma I've spoken to. It's not a "reclaimed word" but that doesn't make it not a slur. Just don't call people "gypsy" if you don't want to be hated. Like many other slurs that have disambiguation pages, this page should say that gypsy is a slur. I've tried to label it as such and one individual continues to take it down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GooseSpoon (talk • contribs) 17:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic groups

I see that the user Sesshomaru keeps bringing the section Ethnic groups to the old variant, first saying it is cleanup unnecessary overlinking and other redundancy, then Rv nonsensical edits.

In fact Sesshomaru's variant contains redundancies: Ruska Roma, Gitanos, Norwegian and Swedish Travellers and the Romnichal are already supposed by the first entry Romani people. Then he deletes the Lom, Lyuli, Dom, the South Asian groups, all known as Gypsies. I invite him to explain his view on this issue, otherwise we go to 3RR. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 19:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons are: Romani people is a redirect, Lom and Dom are disambiguation pages and say nothing concerning the dab term, Quinquilleros fails MoS:DAB#Red links and Category:Fictional Gypsies does not belong per MoS:DAB#Categories. The rest does not meet the requirements of MoS:DAB#Individual entries. That make sense? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good you pointed out about Lom and Dom, I'll direct them to the proper pages. However, Roma people is in process of moving to Romani people. As you can see the introduction of the article presents the Romani people, sourced.

Don't worry Roma will not be moved to Romani people since it was proved on talk page that the terms are equivalent Rezistenta (talk) 07:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And Quinquilleros will stay out for a while, until an article will be made. OK? Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 20:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. May I suggest a partial rv? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I already did something. Tell me how do you consider it. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 20:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lom and Dom should not be masked per MoS:DAB#Individual entries, Anatolia and Armenia should not be linked, the fifth entry should only have one relevant blue link, and the category should go. Other than that, it's fine. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 20:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Cleanup"

This is not conforming to the dab guidelines as the user claims. If anything, this disambiguation page is much worse than it was before. How is removing legitimate items (as well a useful category) helping here? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please have a read of WP:DAB and WP:MOSDAB. In particular, please note WP:DAB#What not to include. A dab page is only supposed to disambiguate between different bluelinks, not add content that belongs on the article pages themselves. If I have removed any items which you believe belong in the dab according to dab guidelines, could you please point them out individually so we may discuss them and come to agreement? Thank you. OttoTheFish (talk) 06:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also please note that I removed the category per WP:MOSDAB#Categories. OttoTheFish (talk) 06:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you?! Please do not treat me like I'm some kind of idiot. I'm well aware of the dab guidelines thank you very much. Have a read of WP:MOSDAB#Categories yourself (it clearly says that name-related cats are fine). In fact, read all of WP:DAB and WP:MOSDAB. Inclusively, point out the exact section(s) that says a dab page should only consist of blue links. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the clean-up tag as it's been on a while and the clean-up section is swamped. I can't see that it needs anything specific. If anyone can think of improvements, please edit it or re-tag. Thanks, Boleyn2 (talk) 19:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation Page for 1993 TV movie adaption of "Gypsy" starring Bette Midler

Can we add something to this Disambiguation Page? One for 1993 TV movie adaption of "Gypsy" starring Bette Midler? I am new to Wikipedia and I need help. Thanks.LA Movie Buff (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

G***sy

This word should be described as a slur here because it is one 78.149.121.207 (talk) 05:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Already covered at Romani people — Czello 08:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

::Not all persons referred to as gypsy in English are in fact real Romani people. Unfortunately, this mistake is made bey english motherspeakers of paraphrasing all Gypsys yet as Romani, despite the fact that they are not Romani at all and never was. Although these groups share a lifestyle similar to that of European Romani, and their ancestors once came from India too, but at different times, they never spoke Romany but their own languages. No connection to European Romani.

Examples:

Domari's (Middle Eastern Gypsys)
Lomari's (Caucasus Mountains/Armenian Gypsys)
Lyuli's (Central Asian Gypsy)
Abdal's (Anatolian Turkmen Gypys)
Sinti's (a population native to Germany)
Ashkali's (a population once came from Persia to Balkans)
Balkan Egyptian's (a population once came from Egypt to Balkans)

Stop making all non-Romani Gypys to Romani,

just because some Romani groups consider the word Gypsy to be slur and Gadjos are emulating it. there are also enough roma groups who keep the word gypsy for themselves https://cingeneyizenglish.blogspot.com/p/i-am-gypsy.html. Vistani (talk) 11:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gypsy is a slur. It is not "kept" by people because a slur does not have to be reclaimed to be a slur. Not every slur carries as much weight as the n-word, and gypsy can be said by non-roma people (albeit with possibly a stern look shifted towards them), but it is still and always has been a slur. The opinion of myself and many Romani individuals I've spoken to is to just not call people "gypsy" but it is still a slur. Also, maybe don't sock puppet lol... GooseSpoon (talk) 17:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As Fyrael said, it's not appropriate for the disambiguation page. Its status as a slur is discussed at Romani people. — Czello ^(music) 18:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is just one of the many examples of a word being mentioned as a slur in a disambiguation: Kike (disambiguation). There is no reason to not label it as such, when it directly is. Gypsy is a slur toward Romani people, and has other uses (which is what the disambiguation is for). GooseSpoon (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Kike" is explicitly designed and specifically utilised as an ethnic slur – it's the primary thing it's known for, which is why it's labelled more unambiguously. The case isn't the same with "gypsy" which has more innocent origins and isn't always used exclusively as a slur. — Czello ^(music) 18:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is untrue. Its origin is that Europeans thought Romani people were Egyptian, hence "gypsy." They did not call us "Egyptian," they called us "gypsy" as a way to mock, create stereotypes, insult, and dehumanize; in other words, create a slur. That is not innocent. Romani people have always been clear that their name is "Romani" or "Roma" but "Gypsy" was still used. Gypsy is, and always has been, a slur. GooseSpoon (talk) 18:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I knew it was a reference to Egyptians, however I did not know it was intended as mockery – I'll take your word on that. However my point is that the other slur is primarily used only as a slur – but gypsy is sometimes used unknowingly or innocently: it's not primarily known as a slur. — Czello ^(music) 19:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gypsy is also used predominantly as a slur. Every slur can be used unknowingly or innocently, that doesn't make it not a slur. GooseSpoon (talk) 19:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Gipsy (disambiguation) into Gypsy (disambiguation)

Per WP:DABCOMBINE, both terms are similar enough to list together, but I’d rather check for objections before merging. — HTGS (talk) 08:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given that there were no objections, and there is a clear policy argument,

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 14:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]